Magic Accuracy Vs. Magic Accuracy Skill

What is the main difference between the two?

Of course if we have a 119/119(III) weapon it gives us +242/269 "Magic Accuracy Skill" but what does it mean for that "Skill" when we're throwing enfeebles like party favors. Of course our regular "Magic Accuracy" is important, but what does this really mean?

YC

No idea if it ever got an official translation but here is a player translation

Broken link for me but I assume it went here

Weapon Skill +242: Attack +195, Accuracy +195
Weapon Skill +269: Attack +216, Accuracy +216

Magic Accuracy Skill +228: Magic Accuracy +115
Magic Accuracy Skill +242: Magic Accuracy +122
Magic Accuracy Skill +255: Magic Accuracy +128
Magic Accuracy Skill +269: Magic Accuracy +135

So a 119(III) Murgleis with +40 M. Acc and +255 M. Acc Skill would give us a total of +168?

Damn!

Bah my link broke. Oh well found it anyways

Thanks for the assist Reain, /salute.

Of course you also have testing like this which indicates they're pretty much equal so never sure how much to trust SE, lol.

http://blog.livedoor.jp/luteff11/archives/50782425.html

I can't read this. Google can't auto translate the page.

Well, if you just want the results, 2/3rds of the way down the page there's a chart.

It's split into 3 sections, 384 elemental skill, 156 elemental skill + 228 magic acc, and 156 elemental skill + 228 magic acc skill. The columns are full damage, half resist, quarter resist, full resist, total respectively.

Do we got some follow-up for this?
That JP test has shown that 1 macc skill is pretty much the same as 1 macc. Do we know how macc skill works from dual wielded weapon? I guess it does not and only main hand count?

Magic Accuracy Skill is main hand only, but Magic Accuracy works on both hands.

Was there ever any definitive decision on macc skill vs raw macc?

Specifically looking @ R15 Contemplator +1 vs Mpaca staff wrt enfeebles. Volte NMs resist far more than my liking (silence mostly) and I'm trying to eek out as much macc as I can to cut the resists as much as possible.

Current set ItemSet 381515

I'm no pro, but I don't see how it's even a question.

Contemplator +1 (full augment) would be 70 macc, 228 macc skill, 20 enfeebling skill
Mpaca's (full augment) would be 45 macc 255 macc skill.

Even if macc <-> macc skill was a 1 to 1 ratio, it would be 70+228=298 vs. 45+255=300. I can't imagine 2 macc trumping 20 enfeebling magic skill for landing a spell.

SE gave the values of magic accuracy skill on a dev post once.

Magic Accuracy Skill +228: Magic Accuracy +115
Magic Accuracy Skill +242: Magic Accuracy +122
Magic Accuracy Skill +255: Magic Accuracy +128
Magic Accuracy Skill +269: Magic Accuracy +135

So Contemplator+1 would be 205 magic accuracy assuming 1 to 1 enfeelbing to macc and Mpaca would be 173. 215 and 183 with the strap added in.

The most macc that you would be able to get in main and sub slots are R15 Murgleis with Ammurapi Shield and 1999tp AM1 coming in at 285 or 236 without AM1.

That values posted by SE was very clearly busted by JP guy testing it with elemental magic. So we can believe in-game test or SE devs saying "what it should be in game". Given the history of SE devs not realizing some things didn't properly work for years...

Which is why I prefaced my comment with "even if it's a 1 to 1 ratio". Between the two, Contemplator is flat out better for enfeebling magic spell accuracy, even more so for white magic because it also has a 7 MND advantage over Mpaca's (3 INT disadvantage, but vs. 20 enfeebling skill who cares?)

Matsui himself pointed out that magic accuracy skill was the same as magic accuracy after they adjusted how the listining on the weapons was layed out

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/37600-Macc-No-longer-displayed?p=473450&viewfull=1#post473450

here he point out the actual "magic accuracy" on a weapon. and if you look up the weapon it will have the same amount of "magic accuracy skill" on it today

So we have BOTH an inside sources AND a testing indicating its 1 Macc skill for 1 Macc.

I believe this is the jp tests refered to
https://luteff11.livedoor.blog/archives/50782425.html
https://luteff11.livedoor.blog/archives/48945119.html#more

I'm not sure what exactly you are reading here. The 2 posts by Matsui are about Magic Accuracy Skill and he does not explain how much Magic Accuracy the Skill is. The Magic Accuracy Skill is almost the same in the table as it is now, with the exception of Lehbrailg +1, where it has a lower skill now than it is written in the table.

Even if its 1 to 1 it doesn't change anything anyway a r15 Contemplator still beat Mpaca for macc.

Please not this line in the first link
"*The "magic accuracy +" value listed in the table is the value when "magic accuracy skill +" is converted into "magic accuracy +"

Matsui is explaining back when they changed the layout on weapons to make the hidden stats form ilevel be clear, that these 3 weapons effectivy bonus is X amount of magic accuracy.
if you look up the weapons information now you will se it has the same value as magic accuracy skill

So matsui is saying 203 magic accuracy is what you get from 203 magic accuracy skill

but you have to go look at the weapon to confirm it.

aka it was not as easy to "grab and go" as someone posting oputdated information on bg. when incorrect information is easier to obtain then correct. ppl will run with incorrect information, and i think that is what happened here


Matsuit saying what "magic accuracy" a weapon has
117 Atinian Staff Magic accuracy +203
FFXIAH. bgwiki and ffciclopedisa saying what "magic accuracy SKILL" is on it = 203

203:203 = 1:1


TLD:DR
He is sayin 203 magic accuracy skill = 203 magic accuracy

and its confirmed by the JP testing

---edit ---
Her is matsuits table from his explanation but ive added added with magic accuracy skill from the weapons right next to him saying what magic accuracy it has



... and leaving out an a

I really wish SE would let us see our magic parameters.
for enfeebling you have to deal with this kind of stuff.
(Leaving out MND on purpose)

Contemplator +1 + Enki
MaccS 228
Macc 80
EnfSkill 20
is maybe 328 or 215 effective accuracy
(I made EnfSkill 1:1 with Macc)


Murgleis + Ammurapi
MaccS 255
Macc 108
is maybe 363 or 236 effective accuracy


Changing things around to balance out the 21 macc vs the 35 does make a difference.

From my understanding:

Quote from another forum post...


From other forums I have read, it is a 1 to 1 ratio and aligns with the skill of the spell being cast. It was added as a way to increase iLv in Seekers.