Random Politics & Religion #24

You are the one that said "voting machines", not me. So you just made up my position to suit your trolling effort, which is normal for you. And no, didn't even read your article.

Lying again Vic?


So, prove it.

Also, what I linked was all of the New York Time's "stories" (can't call them news, there's hardly news in them) about Russians hacking. Go on, find an article that specifically shows evidence that Russians actually changed one vote, or even successfully hacked into "election software."

Until then, I'm just going to call you full of ***, like usual.

And you are going to fail, as usual. Election software is not the same as election hardware, that should go without saying. So keep making up my position just so you can troll, I'll keep laughing at you.

That's a lot of words to say "no u"

Seriously Vic. You have had 3 times now to show where Russians actually hacked the election but you refuse to because you know they didn't.

Just go away, and come back when you have something to discuss.

Maybe then you will realize your mistake, but I highly doubt it, because you keep making it.

That's how they will build the ark.

....TO THE MOON!

Lol, its cute how you think I have to do what you say, but I don't, and neither does anyone else. You can tell me to go post an article, and I can just not and still be here. I simply stated that this leaker chose a poor reason to go to jail, since we have always known the Russians were actively attacking the election process. We knew it yesterday, we knew it today, we will know it tomorrow. I guess you can try to dispute it, and you can spin your wheels all night, its not gonna work out for you.

Hmm....

You do know that there's a big difference between "voter registration systems" and "election software," right?

You do know that one is a registry of eligible voters, while the other tally votes for an election.

I know you don't like facts, but read your source next time. Even then, notice the date was still greater than a month before the election, and early voting hasn't even started.

Now, try again. This time, look for evidence of a single vote being changed, especially from "Clinton" to "Trump". That would be news.

No, you directly stated that Russians hacked voting systems, or "electric software."

You are making a strong accusation on a group that, as so far, has not been proven to successfully pull off what you accuse them for. But you don't see that, because you are "dur hurr"ing too much.

Wipe that drool off your face, it's disgusting.

Reality Leigh Winner.

Even worse imo.

But honestly, this type of act would have happened under any administration or with any job. She had access to information that was deemed private and she leaked it to a news source. We can call her a hero because we feel like she is championing our cause but in reality(lol) she mishandled information that she was entrusted. I think we need to see what comes from this information and it does bring to light any corruption then we can talk about her punishment is just a response to silence her.

She clearly thought this leak was worth her job though. So either it contains some pretty implicating stuff that hasn't fully been disclosed or she is two shy bricks off a load.

two bricks shy off a load*

Nice try Donny, but you are out of your element again.

You seriously are trying too hard to justify Vic's idiotic mistake of stating that Russians hacked into the election software. It is not proven, and your little deflection argument stated as such.

Why don't you explain to everyone how election software = voter registration files. We can all use a good laugh at the leaps and bounds you will go to conclude that Russians changed votes.

http://www.businessinsider.com/nsa-leaker-arrested-russia-document-trump-national-security-2017-6

According to this article it's kind of a big deal.

The question that arises for me: was this premeditated by the "deep state" to condition the populace for a potential bomb shell in the testimony that will be given tomorrow and Thursday. Or is it an intentional distraction to push the leaks narrative in order to distract/deflect from the issue of meddling and to what severity during said hearings.

This is the kicker, is that she apparently wasn't confident in the information she provided:


We can at safely draw a few conclusions from this:

1. Someone in russia at least attempted to effect the voting machines. We don't know who, what, why or even if they were successful but the report indicates that it was attempted.

2. This is why leakers will remain anonymous. They lose their jobs and go to jail. I think this is a two fold problem. Classified documents should be classified for the safety of the people, not to hide dirty secrets but if you are given access to classified documents then you should keep them classified.


It could be a distraction, sounds more like it will be a build up though. In the end if Comey let's the left down with his testimony then they will probably lose momentum.

There they finally have it, unquestionable evidence that Trump rigged the election and that Hillary really won. Now they can remove the impostor and seat her Majesty on the throne prepared for her.

This entire thread is a distraction.

I think very few people are saying this is hard evidence.

fixed.

BTW, we already knew that they attempted.

But even the most liberal of sources admitted that they were unsuccessful at hacking the machines.

So, this "intelligence" report already stated what we all knew anyway. Russians attempted but no evidence showed that they were successful.

No ***, Sherlock.

What these leakers, especially Winner, do is directly break the law for the sole purpose of being "resistant" to change in Washington.

It's not evidence period.

It's not much but it's all they need to summary impeach President Trump and then install President Hillary. It's also enough that they can remove all those Republican Senators and Representatives and replace them with Democrats. No need for voting, the Democrats obviously are better educated and know what's best for everyone, never mind those deplorables who only get in the way.

Then why even bother correcting my statement if we already know, like you completely contradicted your statement.

I also never admitted they were successful, from this report alone we cannot conclude whether they were successful or not. Furthermore we don't know who did it. It could be anyone in Russia even those without government ties.



Cool thanks for agreeing with me. My only footnote is that if the leak actually shows corruption within our government then I don't think it should be considered breaking the law. But that would put us into Whistle blowing protection laws and I know talking about something like that to you would be pointless since you believe the government should be able to get away with murder.

Your eagerness to argue with anyone that even seems to lean a little left is ridiculous.

Yes because we all want president Hillary. I think you are forgetting why Trump won the election in the first place.

Omg Drumpf is DONE!

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Because you were stating what we have been saying since last night?

Even sourced.

Are you trying to be the next Captain Obvious?

Yup, the next Captain Obvious.

I mean, come on now. We already knew that the federal government is corrupt. We are just learning how corrupt it really is, almost daily.

Why else do you think America has put it's faith in Trump? Because he is a better leader than Clinton? Or because Washington DC is so far up it's own *** in corruption that it needed somebody like Trump to shake things around, maybe even attempt to get rid of such corruption.

You do know one of Trump's campaign slogans is "drain the swamp," right? Do you have any idea what that refers to?

I think I see how you do this.

How to argue with someone on the right:

- Don't because they will never argue against you, just what they want you to say to make the argument easy.


Liberals:

Well this leak is the first clear evidence we have that there was an attempt in Russia to hack some form of the election. We can't conclude if it was successful or even who did it but it is pretty concrete. The lady got arrested, which makes sense but lets see what this information proves, if she was a whistle blower then we should consider not pressing charges but if the information was fruitless she clearly mishandled her responsibilities.


Conservatives:

THE ELECTION WASNT HACKED BY THE RUSSIANS STOP TRYING TO GET HILLARY CLINTON ELECTED. OBAMA WOULD HAVE DONE THE SAME THING. OH BOY GOOD LUCK IMPEACHING TRUMP. THIS LADY IS FOR SURE A CRIMINAL. CLINTON IS EVIL. OBAMA IS EVIL. TRUMP IS GOOD. YOU ARE STUPID DONNY.

Oh god, the eyeroll is strong in this one.

No, it isn't.

I mean, seriously. We knew that the Russians attempted since at least last December. This wasn't evidence at all.

We still don't even have a "smoking gun" showing that they were successful. Period.

If she was a whistle blower, she would have gone straight up the chain of command.

But instead, she directly and purposefully leaked this top secret document in hopes to embarrass Trump and his administration. Which is a felony. And she knew it was a felony. And she still did it, willfully aware that she was committing a crime.

Why are you defending her so much?