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Dancing Salvage Bans.
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By Odin.Jassik 2015-02-13 11:37:51
When did I ever complain about SE banning people for cheating? You're bitching that they haven't banned literally everyone who ever achieved something that isn't you because they must have cheated.
You keep trying to rephrase the same "wah wah" idea, it's still the same thing. A normal person would just be happy for what they've achieved instead of reviling everyone around them because some of them may have cheated.
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By Odin.Jassik 2015-02-13 11:46:48
When did I ever complain about SE banning people for cheating? You're bitching that they haven't banned literally everyone who ever achieved something that isn't you because they must have cheated.
You keep trying to rephrase the same "wah wah" idea, it's still the same thing. A normal person would just be happy for what they've achieved instead of reviling everyone around them because some of them may have cheated.
I've actually made clear in several of my posts that isn't the case, if you know, you'd actually read them with anything but your own hate bubble.
When you say repeatedly that cheaters cheapen your achievements and that they should be banned, it doesn't really matter if you said once that you don't care, because you obviously do care a lot. I don't have any hate for cheaters or legit players, I couldn't care less what tools people use, not because I use any tools, but because it doesn't affect me. I view my achievements on their own merits, and I don't get all buttmad when people don't have to work as hard for the same thing. My effort, my reward, what you or anyone else does is meaningless.
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By Odin.Jassik 2015-02-13 11:52:08
When did I ever complain about SE banning people for cheating? You're bitching that they haven't banned literally everyone who ever achieved something that isn't you because they must have cheated.
You keep trying to rephrase the same "wah wah" idea, it's still the same thing. A normal person would just be happy for what they've achieved instead of reviling everyone around them because some of them may have cheated.
I've actually made clear in several of my posts that isn't the case, if you know, you'd actually read them with anything but your own hate bubble.
When you say repeatedly that cheaters cheapen your achievements and that they should be banned, it doesn't really matter if you said once that you don't care, because you obviously do care a lot. I don't have any hate for cheaters or legit players, I couldn't care less what tools people use, not because I use any tools, but because it doesn't affect me. I view my achievements on their own merits, and I don't get all buttmad when people don't have to work as hard for the same thing. My effort, my reward, what you or anyone else does is meaningless.
If language and tone are indication, the one I've seen the most upset is you. I made my stance clear, as well as my idealogy. I'd be an idiot if I thought pure *** force ideology had it's place in the real world. You need give and take, balance, and understanding to get anywhere. But please, paint me all one color.
You've painted yourself well as a crybaby. Please do continue to complain about how unfair life is.
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By fonewear 2015-02-13 11:58:05
And people are scared to go to the P and R section...
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By Leviathan.Comeatmebro 2015-02-13 12:23:20
To be fair, Verda's drawn out whining is in every section since he showed up.
By Lye 2015-02-13 12:30:23
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »Generally SEs fault for failing to take firm stances on third party apps and clamping down on cheating until months after the fact. Blinkers were a thing forever, so were Rusty/Padded caps, Salvage/Nyzul/Sandworm dupes etc etc etc.
I guess this is where I don't follow.
I think SE can enforce as they see fit. Our acceptance of the TOS has no clause assuring "speedy judgement" nor any outline of steps in disciplinary action.
It seems to me that the only claim that can be made against SE is that Salvage 1.0 bans were unjust because they didn't require 3rd party programs.
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By Carbuncle.Nynja 2015-02-13 12:58:24
Knowingly duping items is pretty terrible, its as bad as using a POS hack to respawn HQ Khimaira over and over and killing it 50 times in a 100 minute window.
Saying "well it was your fault this bug existed" is a pretty lame excuse. If an ATM is spitting out 20s and 50s until its empty, and you take that ~10k and run (I dont know how much money an atm has), its still theft, even if "its not my fault your ATM was broken".
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By Siren.Sieha 2015-02-13 13:13:59
Leviathan.Comeatmebro said: »To be fair, Verda's drawn out whining is in every section since he showed up.
you can ignore them, verda doesnt have a lv 99 job so its just a troll, am i right
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By Lakshmi.Jutubyaa 2015-02-13 13:36:19
And people are scared to go to the P and R section...
That's because topics on religion and politics are usually loaded with lots of anger and hard-to-follow rationals.
Wait...
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-02-13 13:52:18
And people are scared to go to the P and R section...
Maybe we should make a Random FFXI Politics & Religion thread?
In this issue:
President Karst takes a harsh stance against botters!
Dirty secrets of the San d'Orian Cathedral!
WWAD bracelets: fashion faux pas?
Mayakov discusses gay marriage!
Star Sibyl is caught flee-hacking!
By fonewear 2015-02-13 14:10:20
And people are scared to go to the P and R section...
Maybe we should make a Random FFXI Politics & Religion thread?
In this issue:
President Karst takes a harsh stance against botters!
Dirty secrets of the San d'Orian Cathedral!
WWAD bracelets: fashion faux pas?
Mayakov discusses gay marriage!
Star Sibyl is caught flee-hacking!
There is a rumor that the Galkas in Bastok are gay fascists !
By fonewear 2015-02-13 14:13:46
This could be in the R and P or XI section not sure which:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/9008-Same-Sex-Marriages-in-FFXI
5 pages of quality discussion !
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-02-13 14:14:28
And people are scared to go to the P and R section... Maybe we should make a Random FFXI Politics & Religion thread? In this issue: President Karst takes a harsh stance against botters! Dirty secrets of the San d'Orian Cathedral! WWAD bracelets: fashion faux pas? Mayakov discusses gay marriage! Star Sibyl is caught flee-hacking! There is a rumor that the Galkas in Bastok are gay fascists ! You need to stop getting all your news from the Huffingtaru Post.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-02-13 14:22:31
Tanaka News: Fair and Balanced.
By fonewear 2015-02-13 14:26:10
I do miss getting sent to jail in SE.
The JP onry shout etc. good times.
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By Cerberus.Avalon 2015-02-13 14:27:01
I do miss getting sent to jail in SE.
The JP onry shout etc. good times.
Time to reactivate your accounts.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-02-13 14:30:13
A big Galka wagging his finger at you while you're given cookies and juice?
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By Cerberus.Avalon 2015-02-13 14:30:25
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By fonewear 2015-02-13 14:31:11
Miss stuff like this:
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By Sylph.Safiyyah 2015-02-13 14:47:05
all it does is drive down the cost of alex, and people who don't have deep pockets SHOULD love that. If you're looking to make a mythic for your broke ***, sure. How about the people who dont have deep pockets who would be doing salvage for gil? Instead of selling that ~120 alex for 1.3 mil, it goes for 864k (11k vs 7.2k)
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That's the biggest thing, to me, with the Salvage cheating. Alex prices without the cheating would only be marginally higher, maybe the same. With the higher prices, more people would be farming Salvage for gil. AR2 takes an easy 30-45 minutes. It's a lot more tolerable than 120 minutes in Dynamis or even gathering together a VW group to farm mats/HMP/whatever. Instead what's happened due to the injection of thousands of cheater alex, is that alex prices have fallen. Today on Sylph alex prices are around 6400-6800, and there's a glut of unsold alex. People are not farming Salvage as much because it's become less lucrative. It's really taken a toll on the income that a lot of players depended on after the Salvage change + ilvl gear.
For the other types of cheaters who were banned, tough titty. POS-hacking, flee-hacking, botting, they are all ways to get around playing FFXI. If you don't like playing the game, here's a thought- quit.
The only thing that I don't like about the bans is that they have not been very extensive. I still see players that I've personally witnessed cheating in-game in the last day or two. Maybe they'll get the axe next?
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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2015-02-13 14:49:22
Depends what cheat. There is a huge difference between people ruining Salvage in every possible way and your usual guy running at 12% full time.
Also, much like any online game, as long as you do not draw the attention of anyone or that they do nothing about it, you're fine.
By Pantafernando 2015-02-13 15:05:31
Did you get that?
Miss stuff like this:
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What was the big reward to do dl at that time? Just the shadow ring/cape?
So I hear SE banned peeps for cheating in Salvage. Damn SE you mad bruh?
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