Will the "Converts 3% of damage taken to MP" from Ethereal Earring activate/process concurrently with the "Converts X% of damage taken to MP upon successful block" from Ochain? I'm assuming yes, i.e. if you took 100 blocked damage with a level 90 Ochain (25%) equipped you would get:
Ochain = 25MP
Ethereal Earring = 3MP
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TOTAL = 28MP
Is my understanding correct? I'm considering getting an E.Earring to macro in some situations with my Ochain. I also just wanted to make sure there wasn't any hidden or contrasting mechanics going on. thanks in advance!
Ochain + Ethereal Earring
Ochain + Ethereal Earring
I think etheral is just dmg taken into mp... if you take 0dmg when you block with a shield dont think youll get anything back...but im just guessing
Well obviously if you took 0 damage you're not gunna get MP back, but if you do, they should stack. I don't see why they wouldn't, this also includes creed armet.
Carbuncle.Lynxblade said: »
I think etheral is just dmg taken into mp... if you take 0dmg when you block with a shield dont think youll get anything back...but im just guessing
correct. wiki actually states there is a minimum amount of damage needed to take for it to kick in, 33.4 dmg. this is so that you cant get hit for 10 damage and get a base value of 1 MP recovery, which would make the earring give more return than intended
I'm kinda torn between the mdb earring and ethereal, the mdb one is a legit option yeah? what other earrings just have mdb on them and not mdt?
Asura.Fondue said: »
I'm kinda torn between the mdb earring and ethereal, the mdb one is a legit option yeah? what other earrings just have mdb on them and not mdt?
none of them seem that good D:
Ethereal is the only good one. Damage to MP applies to magic damage too, and 2 MDB is worse than 2 MDT.
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I thought ethereal was only good at 75 for drg....
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Bismarck.Snprphnx said: »
Carbuncle.Lynxblade said: »
I think etheral is just dmg taken into mp... if you take 0dmg when you block with a shield dont think youll get anything back...but im just guessing
correct. wiki actually states there is a minimum amount of damage needed to take for it to kick in, 33.4 dmg. this is so that you cant get hit for 10 damage and get a base value of 1 MP recovery, which would make the earring give more return than intended
Hey sorry in advance if I sound like a jerk, but I don't think anyone really answered my question definitively. I did mention in my OP that " i.e. if you took 100 blocked damage" so let's assume that the blocked damage was 100, is my calculation above correct?
I may just have to test to find out.
Oakozric said: »
Bismarck.Snprphnx said: »
Carbuncle.Lynxblade said: »
I think etheral is just dmg taken into mp... if you take 0dmg when you block with a shield dont think youll get anything back...but im just guessing
correct. wiki actually states there is a minimum amount of damage needed to take for it to kick in, 33.4 dmg. this is so that you cant get hit for 10 damage and get a base value of 1 MP recovery, which would make the earring give more return than intended
Hey sorry in advance if I sound like a jerk, but I don't think anyone really answered my question definitively. I did mention in my OP that " i.e. if you took 100 blocked damage" so let's assume that the blocked damage was 100, is my calculation above correct?
I may just have to test to find out.
If your char, not your shield takes more then 33.4dmg you will get mp, on etheral. etheral has nothing to do with shield blocked dmg.
So it sounds like my calculation was correct, thanks!
Not that it makes Static Earring any less awful, but Ethereal doesn't reduce damage taken.
Oakozric said: »
So it sounds like my calculation was correct, thanks!
........how often do you take 100dmg when your blocking with ochain? >_>
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Carbuncle.Lynxblade said: »
Oakozric said: »
So it sounds like my calculation was correct, thanks!
........how often do you take 100dmg when your blocking with ochain? >_>
not everything is 0s in tp gear lol
Fenrir.Minjo said: »
Not that it makes Static Earring any less awful, but Ethereal doesn't reduce damage taken.
still not much better than nothing @_@
I cant recall manytimes I took 100dmg during a shield block....and I dont have ochain...
did dawon lastnight and took a few 200+ obvious triple attack claw cyclones during his 2hrs, those would have been much higher unblocked
ethereal only takes into effect dmg taken. and it rounds down. 1-29 dmg = 0 mp. 30-59 dmg is 1 mp. ect ect
Most of us seem to be overlooking how useless MP is to a PLD that isn't soloing. Use something that increases your damage.
I know mp is useless on pld, just trying to answer op's question >_<
The answer is that Ethereal is even more useless with an Ochain. Decent idle option for mages without PDT earrings, decent for a hybrid EVA build on evasive DD. That's it.
Edit: Also DRG, I suppose.
Edit: Also DRG, I suppose.
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Ramuh.Austar said: »
Ethereal is the only good one. Damage to MP applies to magic damage too, and 2 MDB is worse than 2 MDT.
Yes but MDT is very easy to cap on pld without using earrings.
lol whoops didnt relise such a necro bump. Found topic through google search looking into the earrings.
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Anyone know the cap of Dammage taken to mp ?
we can actually reach the 45% but cap is 13%,25%,50%, more ?
we can actually reach the 45% but cap is 13%,25%,50%, more ?
Carbuncle.Akivatoo said: »
Anyone know the cap of Dammage taken to mp ?
we can actually reach the 45% but cap is 13%,25%,50%, more ?
we can actually reach the 45% but cap is 13%,25%,50%, more ?
You cant reach 45% since there isn't actually enough gear to get you to 45%. Theres Ethereal Earrings 3% then theres the AF3+2 helm with 5% so 8% for physical damage and 3% for magical damage.
As far as ochain goes "Converts damage taken to MP" =/= "Converts damage Blocked to MP". Its not calculated as the same thing if you block a 100 damage attack with ochain you get 25mp back now if after you blocked that attack did 0 damage neither Af3 helm nor ethereal earring will proc.
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flume belt!!! ^^
Well, reforged PLD relic body has "Physical damage converted to MP +32" during cover but since it's SE I guess it converts 3,2% DMG to MP.
However, you shouldn't really need anything of this stuff...
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nvm, +2 body already converted 30% to MP
Well, reforged PLD relic body has "Physical damage converted to MP +32" during cover but since it's SE I guess it converts 3,2% DMG to MP.
However, you shouldn't really need anything of this stuff...
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nvm, +2 body already converted 30% to MP
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Creaucent Alazrin said: »
Carbuncle.Akivatoo said: »
Anyone know the cap of Dammage taken to mp ?
we can actually reach the 45% but cap is 13%,25%,50%, more ?
we can actually reach the 45% but cap is 13%,25%,50%, more ?
You cant reach 45% since there isn't actually enough gear to get you to 45%. Theres Ethereal Earrings 3% then theres the AF3+2 helm with 5% so 8% for physical damage and 3% for magical damage.
As far as ochain goes "Converts damage taken to MP" =/= "Converts damage Blocked to MP". Its not calculated as the same thing if you block a 100 damage attack with ochain you get 25mp back now if after you blocked that attack did 0 damage neither Af3 helm nor ethereal earring will proc.
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I got curious while thinking about this, and decided to test if Ochain's MP convert and other convert gear were additive to the same term.
And they do seem to be.
Tested with Ochain, ethereal, flume and Creed head+2. 35% MP convert. Used Hannibal's sword+Ares's cuirass+1 to 0 my auto refresh.
*note. The screenshot is just an example of how I was testing. More data than this is used in the table below.
You lose a bit to rounding(well, flooring more like) a lot of the time, but it does look like 35% MP convert. So with 99 Ochain, you should indeed be able to reach 45% MP convert.
And they do seem to be.
Tested with Ochain, ethereal, flume and Creed head+2. 35% MP convert. Used Hannibal's sword+Ares's cuirass+1 to 0 my auto refresh.
*note. The screenshot is just an example of how I was testing. More data than this is used in the table below.
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MP DMG MP2 Mpgain percent Calc'd rounding loss 6 40 20 14 0.35 14 0 20 34 31 11 0.323 11.9 0.9 31 85 60 29 0.341 29.75 0.75 60 45 75 15 0.333 15.75 0.75 27 61 48 21 0.344 21.35 0.35 48 88 78 30 0.34 30.8 0.8 132 65 154 22 0.338 22.75 0.75 154 70 178 24 0.342 24.5 0.5 178 85 207 29 0.341 29.75 0.75
You lose a bit to rounding(well, flooring more like) a lot of the time, but it does look like 35% MP convert. So with 99 Ochain, you should indeed be able to reach 45% MP convert.
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