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By Fenrir.Skarwind 2011-03-10 22:04:13
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http://www.space.com/11084-supermoon-earthquake-storm-natural-disasters.html

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On March 19, the moon will swing around Earth more closely than it has in the past 18 years, lighting up the night sky from just 221,567 miles (356,577 kilometers) away. On top of that, it will be full. And one astrologer believes it could inflict massive damage on the planet.

Richard Nolle, a noted astrologer who runs the website astropro.com, has famously termed the upcoming full moon at lunar perigee (the closest approach during its orbit) an "extreme supermoon."

When the moon goes super-extreme, Nolle says, chaos will ensue: Huge storms, earthquakes, volcanoes and other natural disasters can be expected to wreak havoc on Earth. (It should be noted that astrology is not a real science, but merely makes connections between astronomical and mystical events.)

But do we really need to start stocking survival shelters in preparation for the supermoon? [Photos: Our Changing Moon]

The question is not actually so crazy. In fact scientists have studied related scenarios for decades. Even under normal conditions, the moon is close enough to Earth to make its weighty presence felt: It causes the ebb and flow of the ocean tides.

The moon's gravity can even cause small but measureable ebbs and flows in the continents, called "land tides" or "solid Earth tides," too. The tides are greatest during full and new moons, when the sun and moon are aligned either on the same or opposite sides of the Earth.

According to John Vidale, a seismologist at the University of Washington in Seattle and director of the Pacific Northwest Seismic Network, particularly dramatic land and ocean tides do trigger earthquakes. "Both the moon and sun do stress the Earth a tiny bit, and when we look hard we can see a very small increase in tectonic activity when they're aligned," Vidale told Life's Little Mysteries, a sister site to SPACE.com.

At times of full and new moons, "you see a less-than-1-percent increase in earthquake activity, and a slightly higher response in volcanoes."

The effect of tides on seismic activity is greatest in subduction zones such as the Pacific Northwest, where one tectonic plate is sliding under another. William Wilcock, another seismologist at the University of Washington, explained: "When you have a low tide, there's less water, so the pressure on the seafloor is smaller. That pressure is clamping the fault together, so when it's not there, it makes it easier for the fault to slip."

According to Wilcock, earthquake activity in subduction zones at low tides is 10 percent higher than at other times of the day, but he hasn't observed any correlations between earthquake activity and especially low tides at new and full moons. Vidale has observed only a very small correlation.

What about during a lunar perigee? Can we expect more earthquakes and volcanic eruptions on March 19, when the full moon will be so close?

The moon's gravitational pull at lunarperigee, the scientists say, is not different enough from its pull at other times to significantly change the height of the tides and thus the likelihood of natural disasters. [Infographic: Phases of the Moon Explained]

"A lot of studies have been done on this kind of thing by USGS scientists and others," John Bellini, a geophysicist at the U.S. Geological Survey, told Life's Little Mysteries. "They haven't found anything significant at all."

Vidale concurred. "Practically speaking, you'll never see any effect of lunar perigee," he said. "It's somewhere between 'It has no effect' and 'It's so small you don't see any effect.'"

The bottom line is, the upcoming supermoon won't cause a preponderance of earthquakes, although the idea isn't a crazy one.

"Earthquakes don't respond as much to the tides as you'd think they would. There should actually be more of an effect," said Vidale.

Most natural disasters have nothing to do with the moon at all. The Earth has a lot of pent up energy, and it releases it anytime the buildup gets too great. The supermoon probably won't push it past the tipping point, but we'll know for sure, one way or the other, by March 20.

This story was provided by Life's Little Mysteries, a sister site of SPACE.com.

Follow Natalie Wolchover on Twitter @nattyover

Kinda wonder if we'll get some of those oh so rare earthquakes I feel here near Chicago from time to time.
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By Asura.Matzilla 2011-03-10 22:07:21
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By Bahamut.Lolserj 2011-03-10 22:07:50
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let's start an end of the world cult because of this
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By Odin.Zicdeh 2011-03-10 22:09:01
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Maybe he can cut open a chicken and read the entrails for winning lottery numbers while he's at it.
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2011-03-10 22:12:17
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No wonder SE postponed the server mergers...
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By Asura.Ludoggy 2011-03-10 22:14:28
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By Valefor.Slipispsycho 2011-03-10 22:21:57
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Odin.Zicdeh said:
Maybe he can cut open a chicken and read the entrails for winning lottery numbers while he's at it.
Lol, I was reading the article on Yahoo and was like "WTH.. Are they mixing up Astronomer with Astrologer" then it finally got to the point to where they noted that Astrologer isn't someone to be taken seriously in the first place.

Having said that, the Moon does exert gravitational pull on the Earth, it stands to reason when it gets closer that pull will be greater.. I really don't think it could cause what he's saying though (I could be wrong).. Will probably make for some good fishing though..
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2011-03-10 22:23:32
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Valefor.Slipispsycho said:
Having said that, the Moon does exert gravitational pull on the Earth, it stands to reason when it gets closer that pull will be greater.. I really don't think it could cause what he's saying though (I could be wrong).. Will probably make for some good fishing though..
It's like using TH atma... sure it will probably increase things a little but you'd have to be an idiot to worry about it
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2011-03-10 22:37:36
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If anything this will *** with the tides and ruin the fishing season.
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By Fenrir.Skarwind 2011-03-10 22:43:17
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Fresh water too?
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By Valefor.Slipispsycho 2011-03-10 22:43:22
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Valefor.Prothescar said:
If anything this will *** with the tides and ruin the fishing season.
Thought Full/New Moon is supposed to be good for fishing?
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2011-03-10 22:45:23
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Valefor.Slipispsycho said:
Valefor.Prothescar said:
If anything this will *** with the tides and ruin the fishing season.
Thought Full/New Moon is supposed to be good for fishing?
Not if you are in rabao
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By Phoenix.Uzugami 2011-03-10 22:47:59
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Got mah fishin' rods ready for this. :3

*Edit* Think it'll let me catch a super-fish?
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2011-03-10 23:19:57
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This is how sharks with lasers are born. :\ They'll eat all of the other fish.
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By Diabolos.Raelia 2011-03-10 23:25:02
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Fenrir.Skarwind said:
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one astrologer believes
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By Fenrir.Skarwind 2011-03-11 00:07:34
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Earthquake just happened in Japan! Dun dun dun
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By Diabolos.Raelia 2011-03-11 00:33:24
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Fenrir.Skarwind said:
Earthquake just happened in Japan! Dun dun dun
Earthquake between 1.0 and 3.0 happened under your very feet within the last five minutes, and will continue happening. Welcome to Earth, a rare tectonic wonder.

Still, if you RTFA and do a little research, the moon was closer 18 years ago and closer than that at least twice within the past 200 years.

Now all the ***is going around about the moon 'looking bigger' during perigee... HORSE. ***. It's visually about 0.01% bigger.

It's been going 'round for ~3.7 billion years, I don't think it's going to really change it's orbit much in just a few decades.

Still creepy about the Japan earthquake, but they have a 7.0+ no less than every other year. Japanese building construction is the new "brick-shithouse".
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By Bahamut.Paulus 2011-03-11 00:38:41
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8.8 Quake in Japan?!
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By Fenrir.Skarwind 2011-03-11 00:52:43
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8.8-magnitude quake hits north-east Japan, 3m tsunami warning
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/magnitude-quake-hits-north-east-japan-3m-tsunami-warning/story-e6frg6so-1226019898265
 
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By Odin.Zicdeh 2011-03-11 00:54:35
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Wow, 8.8 but no injuries. RL JP button.
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By Fenrir.Skarwind 2011-03-11 00:55:03
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Time to camp LOLKings
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By Bahamut.Paulus 2011-03-11 00:57:21
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"Numerous injuries" reported. It's hard to watch cars and boats being washed away while people seem to be driving about. Watching the tsunami wash buildings homes and cars for miles in. Jesus Christ.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2011-03-11 01:04:49
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Odin.Zicdeh said:
Wow, 8.8 but no injuries. RL JP button.
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2011-03-11 01:05:52
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Jesus christ that's bad, there's gonna be a fairly large death toll I'd imagine with a tsunami like that.
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By Bahamut.Paulus 2011-03-11 01:08:13
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Might want to rename this thread. Doesn't seem suitable now.
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By Shiva.Matsuro 2011-03-11 01:29:29
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Tsunami is hitting, being broadcasted on TV if anyone is watching, its *** crazy.
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By Bahamut.Paulus 2011-03-11 01:37:40
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It is. People tweeting in to CNN while it's going on. One says their grand-father died 14 minutes ago and another saying that they are experiencing an aftershock.
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By Phoenix.Oumura 2011-03-11 01:37:49
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Asura.Matzilla said:
Instant win.
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By Bismarck.Demented 2011-03-11 01:39:17
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Fenrir.Skarwind said:
And one astrologer believes

And that is where I stopped reading.





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