Do you need atma of the voracious violet? Yugl and I are hosting a run on friday the 19th, 4pm pst. We are selling spots at 400k a pop. You can contact either of us in game, or message Yugl on BG. His username there is the same one in game.
What is atma of the voracious violet? It is an atma that drops from Eccentric Eve, and gives STR+50 Double Attack+5% and 2/tp tick Regain. It helps even if you are a mage because atmas affect pets as well! So if you are interested, once again, just send either of us a message.
eta: this is not asking for help. if we needed help we wouldn't charge.
Eccentric Eve Run; 11/19/2010cccc
Eccentric Eve Run; 11/19/2010cccc
So you're charging people to help you. Classy bro!
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Shiva.Khimaira said:
So you're charging people to help you. Classy bro!
this
hell i was working on getting pops for eccentric eve myself. My group doesn't consist of 18 people, but if people want in, they'll get in, no charge.
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Shiva.Khimaira said:
So you're charging people to help you. Classy bro!
Can be done WHM/DD/stunbot, let people who proc red !! not pay. Rest should pay. Don't be stupid.
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Alexander.Odaka said:
Shiva.Khimaira said:
So you're charging people to help you. Classy bro!
this
hell i was working on getting pops for eccentric eve myself. My group doesn't consist of 18 people, but if people want in, they'll get in, no charge.
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Shiva.Khimaira said:
So you're charging people to help you. Classy bro!
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From the OP it sounded like, to me at least, they were asking people to help actually kill Eve~
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Fenrir.Snick said:
From the OP it sounded like, to me at least, they were asking people to help actually kill Eve~
If they werent asking this, they need to severely rephrase the OP.
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Newsflash: Me and Xeonha have the atma.
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Shiva.Khimaira said:
Fenrir.Snick said:
From the OP it sounded like, to me at least, they were asking people to help actually kill Eve~
If they werent asking this, they need to severely rephrase the OP.
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Diabolos.Yugl said:
Newsflash: Me and Xeonha have the atma.
Irrelevant
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so your trying to get a shitton of gil for somethin as simple as eve
good lawd
good lawd
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Alexander.Odaka said:
so your trying to get a shitton of gil for somethin as simple as eve
good lawd
good lawd
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Alexander.Odaka said:
so your trying to get a shitton of gil for somethin as simple as eve good lawd
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Shiva.Khimaira said:
Alexander.Odaka said:
so your trying to get a shitton of gil for somethin as simple as eve good lawd
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Fenrir.Nightfyre said:
Shiva.Khimaira said:
Alexander.Odaka said:
so your trying to get a shitton of gil for somethin as simple as eve good lawd
Not doing either bro. You speculated that they could be selling leech spots, that doesn't make it fact. The OP hasn't cleared it up, and it still looks like thats what the OP comment said.
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1. Did they farm the pop set?
2. Why should I use my popset for them?
3. People make money for something as simple as washing clothes. What's your point?
Edit: Let me make this clearer. WE DERIVE NO BENEFIT FROM KILLING EE. I can't use his gear (Hell, it could go freelot for all I care). I don't need the atma. I don't need the title. I happen to have a pop item from solo farming, so I give people an *opportunity*.
2. Why should I use my popset for them?
3. People make money for something as simple as washing clothes. What's your point?
Edit: Let me make this clearer. WE DERIVE NO BENEFIT FROM KILLING EE. I can't use his gear (Hell, it could go freelot for all I care). I don't need the atma. I don't need the title. I happen to have a pop item from solo farming, so I give people an *opportunity*.
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Bro, people aren't going to pay for the right to help you out they may for the atma when youve already arranged to kill it but that doesn't seem like what your offering. If you need them to help kill, then if anything you should be paying them.
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Doesn't matter if you need it or not, doesn't change the fact that you NEED their help to kill it.
Here's the fallacy of your argument: They're not helping me. If I gain nothing, how is it helping me? We have people we know that we are bringing to kill the NM. The people paying are purchasing the time I spent farming the pop items, the labor of the individuals helping (i.e. not buyers), and the atma itself. Plus, I've already calculated whatever utility they bring to the table. Their work is worth 100k. Therefore, it's 400k instead of 500k. Problem solved.
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Diabolos.Yugl said:
Here's the fallacy of your argument: They're not helping me. If I gain nothing, how is it helping me? We have people we know that we are bringing to kill the NM. The people paying are purchasing the time I spent farming the pop items, the labor of the individuals helping (i.e. not buyers), and the atma itself. Plus, I've already calculated whatever utility they bring to the table. Their work is worth 100k. Therefore, it's 400k instead of 500k. Problem solved.
You want the NM killed, whether you want something from it or not. That's still a valid point, sorry they're helping you.
Also, you've let this thread operate so far under the assumption you need your buyers to kill it, if you have people to help kill it, then sell the atma, just consider rephrasing because if you need the people you're selling to to help you kill it then your being a douche for charging them. And whatever utility they bring to the table, it's going to be worth more than 100k.
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lol this turned weird, fast. ok dudes and dudettes, we can kill this ourselves. We don't need help. We are offering people a chance to get the atma at a price. We aren't forcing anyone to come. If people don't want to pay they can go with friends or farm their own pop. It really.. really.. isn't a big deal.
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Diabolos.Xeonha said:
lol this turned weird, fast. ok dudes and dudettes, we can kill this ourselves. We don't need help. We are offering people a chance to get the atma at a price. We aren't forcing anyone to come. If people don't want to pay they can go with friends or farm their own pop. It really.. really.. isn't a big deal.
Wow...
People, if you don't want to pay for this atma then YOU DON'T HAVE TO JOIN.
What a concept. o_o
People, if you don't want to pay for this atma then YOU DON'T HAVE TO JOIN.
What a concept. o_o
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Shiva.Khimaira said:
Diabolos.Yugl said:
Here's the fallacy of your argument: They're not helping me. If I gain nothing, how is it helping me? We have people we know that we are bringing to kill the NM. The people paying are purchasing the time I spent farming the pop items, the labor of the individuals helping (i.e. not buyers), and the atma itself. Plus, I've already calculated whatever utility they bring to the table. Their work is worth 100k. Therefore, it's 400k instead of 500k. Problem solved.
You want the NM killed, whether you want something from it or not. That's still a valid point, sorry they're helping you.
Also, you've let this thread operate so far under the assumption you need your buyers to kill it, if you have people to help kill it, then sell the atma, just consider rephrasing because if you need the people you're selling to to help you kill it then your being a douche for charging them. And whatever utility they bring to the table, it's going to be worth more than 100k.
1. Making false assumptions is the fault of one making the assumptions.
2. Their utility is 100k under our standards. If people don't link it, they won't buy it. Simple as that.
3. We wouldn't kill it if buyers didn't need it. Therefore, they're only helping themselves.
4. Since we're providing service, we select the price.
5. Straight up question: Why don't we just cancel it? It seems like a bad idea to offer opportunities.
Edit: If your assumptions were correct, we need not pay for anything (Cars, Books, or even Water) because we're helping you by getting rid of your inventory. See how ridiculous your statements are?
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Diabolos.Yugl said:
Shiva.Khimaira said:
Diabolos.Yugl said:
Here's the fallacy of your argument: They're not helping me. If I gain nothing, how is it helping me? We have people we know that we are bringing to kill the NM. The people paying are purchasing the time I spent farming the pop items, the labor of the individuals helping (i.e. not buyers), and the atma itself. Plus, I've already calculated whatever utility they bring to the table. Their work is worth 100k. Therefore, it's 400k instead of 500k. Problem solved.
1. You let the assumptions play out by responding to people reacting off of them, sometimes you have to assume ***, this being one of those times.
2. Suppose if that's how you feel that's how you feel.
4. Fair enough, but there was no implication of such service being provided at the start of the thread.
5. What?
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1. If you assume and you're wrong, it's your fault.
4. Receiving the opportunity to fight without farming pop items is a service. This is true whether we do or do not need their help.
5. People attack the service without offering reform. Do you not want the service to exist in the first place? Do you want people to get the atma for free (If it is this, you have explain why people should not pay for the time I take to farm the pop items)? Do you want it to be cheaper? That's the issue I take with the previous posts.
4. Receiving the opportunity to fight without farming pop items is a service. This is true whether we do or do not need their help.
5. People attack the service without offering reform. Do you not want the service to exist in the first place? Do you want people to get the atma for free (If it is this, you have explain why people should not pay for the time I take to farm the pop items)? Do you want it to be cheaper? That's the issue I take with the previous posts.
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Diabolos.Yugl said:
1. If you assume and you're wrong, it's your fault. 4. Receiving the opportunity to fight without farming pop items is a service. This is true whether we do or do not need their help. 5. People attack the service without offering reform. Do you not want the service to exist in the first place? Do you want people to get the atma for free (If it is this, you have explain why people should not pay for the time I take to farm the pop items)? Do you want it to be cheaper? That's the issue I take with the previous posts.
You having a pop item is worthless if you don't have people to kill it. Them being able to kill it is useless without having a pop. That being said, you need them to kill your pop for you. They don't need to kill it for you, they could farm their own. Once again, if anything, they're doing you a service.
Also, an assumption can be wrong, but it isn't my fault if it's the most logical assumption with the current information. And if you let someone operate under an assumption, your just as at fault for it being wrong.
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Why do I need them to kill it for me? I'm fine if it's worthless.
Assumptions aren't made off logical inferences. Inductive and deductive reasoning are made off inferences. If you make an assumption, the only thing you can assert is that IF the assumption is true, then _____ follows. In other words, you can only discern contradictions and conditional statements. If there is fault for letting people assume wrong, then anyone can be fault regardless of their own volition. That's absurd.
Assumptions aren't made off logical inferences. Inductive and deductive reasoning are made off inferences. If you make an assumption, the only thing you can assert is that IF the assumption is true, then _____ follows. In other words, you can only discern contradictions and conditional statements. If there is fault for letting people assume wrong, then anyone can be fault regardless of their own volition. That's absurd.
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