I would even bet that you can literally tell a gm that you do use windower and not only would they likely have no clue what it is, they wouldn't care.
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I would even bet that you can literally tell a gm that you do use windower and not only would they likely have no clue what it is, they wouldn't care.
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Carbuncle.Nynja said: » Bahamut.Justthetip said: » Carbuncle.Nynja said: » Carbuncle.Maletaru said: » Bahamut.Justthetip said: » You use this program to modify game files Carbuncle.Nynja said: » Yes, Windower is "modifying the game and gameplay" Which game files does Windower modify? Could someone explain to me how the game functions differently, or how the gameplay is altered by using Windower, instead of just saying it does? OK, if this is how we're going to have a discussion, I'll take your route: Windower is not modifying the game files. Windower is not modifying the game or gameplay. You're pretty much making up your own arbitrary line of what is and isnt acceptable cheating to justify why your cheating is acceptable. Theres only one entity that can draw the line of what isnt and isnt cheating in FFXI, and that is SE. Bahamut.Justthetip said: » I'm gonna guess it went over your head but sure man be dumb about it I guess. The program itself isn't til you turn plug-in and ***on. Why people are being braindead apes about this and acting like they don't know what people mean is stupid. I'm not clear if you're calling me, Nynja, or someone else a braindead ape here, but for the record: Nynja advocates that Windower, plugins or not, is against ToS. I advocate that Plugins, Addons, Taco, Cureplease, etc. are cheating and against ToS, but Windower without any Plugins, Addons, etc. is not against ToS. I'm not trying to say that you can't use Windower to load lua scripts which modify the gameplay. I'm saying Windower doesn't have to be used to load all that crap, you can just use it to load FFXI in two windows on a machine, which doesn't change the way the game functions, which is what the ToS explicitly states is against their terms. Here's a thought experiment: if you have two computers or a single computer with a VM, is there a difference in the way your two instances of FFXI run on those two PCs compared to running both instances on a single PC through Windower? OK now load Dressup, Anchor, and Gearswap on one PC, and don't load those on the other PC. Is there a difference in the way the game runs on those two PCs? This is where I draw the line, the same place (IMHO) SE draws the line, at least according to their website: altering the gameplay of the game. Bahamut.Justthetip said: » Carbuncle.Nynja said: » Bahamut.Justthetip said: » Carbuncle.Nynja said: » Carbuncle.Maletaru said: » Bahamut.Justthetip said: » You use this program to modify game files Carbuncle.Nynja said: » Yes, Windower is "modifying the game and gameplay" Which game files does Windower modify? Could someone explain to me how the game functions differently, or how the gameplay is altered by using Windower, instead of just saying it does? OK, if this is how we're going to have a discussion, I'll take your route: Windower is not modifying the game files. Windower is not modifying the game or gameplay. You're pretty much making up your own arbitrary line of what is and isnt acceptable cheating to justify why your cheating is acceptable. Theres only one entity that can draw the line of what isnt and isnt cheating in FFXI, and that is SE. While Nynja, I know you for a time back, and know the people you played with and the way you play. You are riding this high horse as if you were also vanilla homeboy. I hope you also keeping this energy to all the people who you play and played with and the people who have been carrying you through Odyssey, same as Maletaru lol. Don’t forget that there’s receipts from Emerald, Nynja. If Windower allows you to load two copies of FFXI whereas the official windower does not, then it modifies the game.
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Carbuncle.Maletaru said: » Bahamut.Justthetip said: » I'm gonna guess it went over your head but sure man be dumb about it I guess. The program itself isn't til you turn plug-in and ***on. Why people are being braindead apes about this and acting like they don't know what people mean is stupid. I'm not clear if you're calling me, Nynja, or someone else a braindead ape here, but for the record: Nynja advocates that Windower, plugins or not, is against ToS. I advocate that Plugins, Addons, Taco, Cureplease, etc. are cheating and against ToS, but Windower without any Plugins, Addons, etc. is not against ToS. I'm not trying to say that you can't use Windower to load lua scripts which modify the gameplay. I'm saying Windower doesn't have to be used to load all that crap, you can just use it to load FFXI in two windows on a machine, which doesn't change the way the game functions, which is what the ToS explicitly states is against their terms. Here's a thought experiment: if you have two computers or a single computer with a VM, is there a difference in the way your two instances of FFXI run on those two PCs compared to running both instances on a single PC through Windower? OK now load Dressup, Anchor, and Gearswap on one PC, and don't load those on the other PC. Is there a difference in the way the game runs on those two PCs? This is where I draw the line, the same place (IMHO) SE draws the line, at least according to their website: altering the gameplay of the game. Bahamut.Mhysa said: » While Nynja, I know you for a time back, and know the people you played with and the way you play. You are riding this high horse as if you were also vanilla homeboy. I hope you also keeping this energy to all the people who you play and played with and the people who have been carrying you through Odyssey, same as Maletaru lol. Don’t forget that there’s receipts from Emerald, Nynja. I don't think most would classify a fully stock vanilla Windower as cheating, but it is absolutely against ToS whether an individual GM will enforce it on a dime or not.
Only time I really have any umbrage with "cheaters" is when they make a cringe forum post akin to "lol it's easy bro get good" when they're loading up every DLL on github with a gearswap file that basically plays the game for them. When you've automated the game to the point where you don't even have to hit a WS macro, you've forfeited your right to talk ***to or about anyone. Carbuncle.Nynja said: » Bahamut.Mhysa said: » While Nynja, I know you for a time back, and know the people you played with and the way you play. You are riding this high horse as if you were also vanilla homeboy. I hope you also keeping this energy to all the people who you play and played with and the people who have been carrying you through Odyssey, same as Maletaru lol. Don’t forget that there’s receipts from Emerald, Nynja. Idk why people are discussing with you, when you got banned. Anyway. Bahamut.Justthetip
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Valefor.Prothescar said: » I don't think most would classify a fully stock vanilla Windower as cheating, but it is absolutely against ToS whether an individual GM will enforce it on a dime or not. Only time I really have any umbrage with "cheaters" is when they make a cringe forum post akin to "lol it's easy bro get good" when they're loading up every DLL on github with a gearswap file that basically plays the game for them. When you've automated the game to the point where you don't even have to hit a WS macro, you've forfeited your right to talk ***to or about anyone. Asura.Saevel said: » Bahamut.Mhysa said: » Legion feels like a fever dream to me. I remember clearing all halls with my Linkshell (and I thought it was hard, tbh!) but now when I talk to a couple of friends who still play, they mention that they never did Legion due it’s difficulty. Ah, the good days where 3 HNMs got to stomp on you at the same time! Legion was probably the first content that really required the DD's to wear hybrid sets. The SCH's would still do their best to stun lock stuff, but the bosses got kinda stupid at the higher tiers. It as alliance content so we got to get creative with party setups. Right! I actually did enjoy Legion a lot and the strats for it were very mixed. I think it had a lot of potential, but not a lot of people adventured into it. I also remember there being like a week lockout? Again, all of a fever dream! Valefor.Prothescar said: » I don't think most would classify a fully stock vanilla Windower as cheating, but it is absolutely against ToS whether an individual GM will enforce it on a dime or not. Only time I really have any umbrage with "cheaters" is when they make a cringe forum post akin to "lol it's easy bro get good" when they're loading up every DLL on github with a gearswap file that basically plays the game for them. When you've automated the game to the point where you don't even have to hit a WS macro, you've forfeited your right to talk ***to or about anyone. Are we playing the game, or is the game playing us? Step by step guide on how to defeat the ultimate boss in FFXI. Super Secret Strategy Guide Offline
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Valefor.Prothescar said: » Only time I really have any umbrage with "cheaters" is when they make a cringe forum post akin to "lol it's easy bro get good" when they're loading up every DLL on github with a gearswap file that basically plays the game for them. When you've automated the game to the point where you don't even have to hit a WS macro, you've forfeited your right to talk ***to or about anyone. Very well said. I have to hear bragging comments from cheaters in this game for the past few years. People botting their master levels, flexing about "How come you're only 35, bro? I'm almost 50 on all mine!" Bahamut.Mhysa said: » Carbuncle.Nynja said: » Bahamut.Mhysa said: » While Nynja, I know you for a time back, and know the people you played with and the way you play. You are riding this high horse as if you were also vanilla homeboy. I hope you also keeping this energy to all the people who you play and played with and the people who have been carrying you through Odyssey, same as Maletaru lol. Don’t forget that there’s receipts from Emerald, Nynja. Idk why people are discussing with you, when you got banned. Anyway. Check your sources *** Carbuncle.Nynja said: » Bahamut.Mhysa said: » Carbuncle.Nynja said: » Bahamut.Mhysa said: » While Nynja, I know you for a time back, and know the people you played with and the way you play. You are riding this high horse as if you were also vanilla homeboy. I hope you also keeping this energy to all the people who you play and played with and the people who have been carrying you through Odyssey, same as Maletaru lol. Don’t forget that there’s receipts from Emerald, Nynja. Idk why people are discussing with you, when you got banned. Anyway. Check your sources *** Oh wow, I pulled a nerve there haha, my sources are more than fine. Stay banned <3 I am done discussing with you, because it’s an actual waste of time. One more for the road
I changed my names because of pieces of trash snitches like you and that pedo creeper Iszo. Thats my thanks for carrying people through an aeonic run. I dont help people anymore, I stay anonymous in game. Stay jelly son <3 Carbuncle.Nynja said: » One more for the road I changed my names because of pieces of trash snitches like you and that pedo creeper Iszo. Thats my thanks for carrying people through an aeonic run. I dont help people anymore, I stay anonymous in game. Go outside and touch some grass LMAO. I am sure you stay very anonymous and with a whole different char. Again, Im done arguing with you, we know why you got banned. Ride that high horse all you want, but you know the truth. But seriously, go outside and touch some grass, you’re truly bitter over a video game boo. <3 Carbuncle.Nynja said: » One more for the road I changed my names because of pieces of trash snitches like you and that pedo creeper Iszo. Thats my thanks for carrying people through an aeonic run. I dont help people anymore, I stay anonymous in game. Stay jelly son <3 It's messed up that the guys in this convo will go out of their way to try to get people banned, even if you help them. Whats worse is the silent ones, they go along and get their wins / loot, then turn around and report the ones responsible for helping them. Carbuncle.Nynja said: » Carbuncle.Maletaru said: » Carbuncle.Nynja said: » Also, reminder that windower is also cheating per the ToS. [Citation needed] 2.1 Cheating and Botting. You may not create or use any cheats, bots, automation software, hacks, mods or any other unauthorized software designed to modify the Game and gameplay. In addition, you may not take advantage of game system bugs and exploits during gameplay. I guess if you're defining Windower as modifying the Game and gameplay then sure, but I think "launching two instances of FFXI on the same physical PC" is a stretch when you're talking about modifying the Game and gameplay. Carbuncle.Maletaru said: » Bahamut.Justthetip said: » You use this program to modify game files Carbuncle.Nynja said: » Yes, Windower is "modifying the game and gameplay" Which game files does Windower modify? Could someone explain to me how the game functions differently, or how the gameplay is altered by using Windower, instead of just saying it does? OK, if this is how we're going to have a discussion, I'll take your route: Windower is not modifying the game files. Windower is not modifying the game or gameplay. This is only part of why they make it against the ToS. The other reason is they have no control over it. The official client is validated and known to work without triggering all sorts of server side bugs, if there is a bug in Windower that mishandles protocol data then it could cause server side problems and trigger a lot of potential issues. The official client would be validated and tested during development and they control that code. I doubt their parsing code is robust and having an unofficial client interacting with the network code can be scary if you know the server side is poorly written. A lot of code written in this era wasn’t written to account for unexpected values, just to trust the client will only send trustworthy data. The official client also doesn’t have an API, which is again a stability problem. If you go and write a lua that sends a bunch of malformed data, it could cause a lot of issues. This is 20 year old code we are talking about here and probably not written to the best of standards, a wrong value here or there could crash the zone or worse. They really don’t want people messing with the lower level details like the packets. The official client won’t cause problems because it’s developed and tested in parallel, Windower and various 3rd party tools aren’t. Not saying Windower does this or has this problem, but from their POV early on, it’s part of what they are concerned about. Now it’s less of an issue obviously, but I wouldn’t be surprised if sending a random 0xffffffff or 0x41414141 here and there wouldn’t cause issues. At this point they probably have enough confidence in the Windower team and server side fixed over the years to care less about it, but I would expect a poorly written lua to get their attention if it acts up Bahamut.Mhysa said: » Go outside and touch some grass LMAO. I am sure you stay very anonymous and with a whole different char. Again, Im done arguing with you, we know why you got banned. Ride that high horse all you want, but you know the truth. But seriously, go outside and touch some grass, you’re truly bitter over a video game boo. <3 Asura.Saevel said: » It's messed up that the guys in this convo will go out of their way to try to get people banned, even if you help them. Whats worse is the silent ones, they go along and get their wins / loot, then turn around and report the ones responsible for helping them. Carbuncle.Nynja said: » Bahamut.Mhysa said: » Go outside and touch some grass LMAO. I am sure you stay very anonymous and with a whole different char. Again, Im done arguing with you, we know why you got banned. Ride that high horse all you want, but you know the truth. But seriously, go outside and touch some grass, you’re truly bitter over a video game boo. <3 A whole server away, and I got you suspended. The power I hold is immaculate. I guess I am omnipotent! Offline
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Odin.Stayfresh said: » I’m so glad I’m not a man. This is 2023. You can be whatever you say you want to be. Reporting people and trying to get people banned in a 22+ year old game is cringe.
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I'm curious how many legit Eschuteons there are out there that never touched Craft addon once. Probably rarer than Cat's Eyes.
And at the end of the day, I'm still better than you, and you know it, thats why you had to snitch to try to get me banned.
You failed. Have fun making characters across all 16 servers to find the Hume F I showed off. I'm out, gym time. Katyl said: » I'm curious how many legit Eschuteons there are out there that never touched Craft addon once. Probably rarer than Cat's Eyes. Bahamut.Justthetip
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Carbuncle.Nynja said: » And at the end of the day, I'm still better than you, and you know it, thats why you had to snitch to try to get me banned. You failed. Have fun making characters across all 16 servers to find the Hume F I showed off. I'm out, gym time. Katyl said: » I'm curious how many legit Eschuteons there are out there that never touched Craft addon once. Probably rarer than Cat's Eyes. Carbuncle.Nynja said: » And at the end of the day, I'm still better than you, and you know it, thats why you had to snitch to try to get me banned. Yes, you are better than me. Because you cheat, and I don't. I hope thinking I am the one who snitched helps you lift more weights and run faster. Delusional men are the funniest kind of men in this game. |
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