Fixing The MW 3-8 Cashgrab

Yea to the point they go back 7 years to troll lol. Already looking like d44k, but theres a lot of contenders with fake troll accounts these days. I do remember getting more likes! Now Thorny does, see people can change opinions.

I don't think WoW classic was that much of a success to kill off XI and WoW is quickly going down hill.

It's weird for people to think someone's opinion can't change in 7 years. It isn't hypocritical for your opinion to change within a time frame of almost a decade. What an insanely childish attempt at trolling

Success of WoW v2 is highly subjective. WoW has had more and more criticism the past 2 expansions than ever before.

I'm not worried about FFXI going anywhere. There are older MMOs still going with less players. There are still other options left before pulling the plug.


The number of likes someone gets means jack squat. Not going to break the rules and point at anyone in particular but I've seen people like their own post with their own crafting mules. That or they're just some kind of a favorite or discord buddy to where people will like their post even if they have 100% NO clue what the person is even talking about. I see this type of thing a lot on forums with like systems. I see it frequently in the WoW forums. Go into the customer support forums and the "forum favorites" have a bunch of hearts in their comments but when you investigate the people who liked, most of them seem to have the exact same pet/mount collection (1:1, meaning it's the exact same account) as the poster. A person there got MVP for doing that enough and when I pointed it out, my post was removed lol


If Classic is what he was referring to, it's a fad. It won't die but it won't get more popular.

Am I the only one who thought "WoW V2" was referring to FFXIV?

It's not 1:1, nor is it intended to be. It's just interesting to see the attitude of both specific people who are still around, as well as the general sentiment of the forum, have changed in that manner. Obviously there's some emotional investment in the argument from both sides, so it's cool that we can go back and see how discussion unfolded around a very similar event last time.

Some people are thoroughly consistant, while others have totally flipped. But, the overall forum sentiment back then was against it even by the posters who weren't talking about other cash additions. The people who have flipped are all paying for wardrobes, and likely have been for years, so I suspect that plays into their thoughts regarding it.

Players are older and likely have more disposable cash, many aren't thinking of it in any terms past 'is this worth $2 to me?'. This is blatantly apparent with the arrogant children who claim that anyone who doesn't like it is just poor. I think there's also been a good deal of filtering of those who aren't dead set on XI as their only MMO, those who remain are likely more dedicated to this specific game as updates have massively slowed since then.

It ultimately doesn't mean anything, just a neat little trip through time. I'm certainly not saying people can't change their minds given a change in time and circumstance, but it's interesting that the general sentiment has completely reversed.

Lol yea I wasnt talking about WoW. XIV had been a leech on XIs life since before Abyssea. Slowly sapping away at it and taking its funds, until now where peoples opinions are more subdued and torn between both games or just aged out of caring. So if it gets to being down due to lack of profit overall, they wont blink an eye to shut it off and force people to the other game. The pop has dwindled quite substantially, and most players havent even heard or will care about this game like I do. So sadly voting with my wallet isnt much of a choice.

The thing about likes was sarcasm, I know all that already esp given the sock culture here. Just a little joke, couldn't care less about likes.

My issue with the attitudes regarding wardrobe expansion is the staggering levels of entitlement I see from people who practically demand that they be given this expanded, add-on service... for free.

I think there is a conversation to have, maybe, regarding the cost, but you lose me when I start seeing "SE should give this for free", followed by a laundry list of reasons why they feel they should be entitled to a company product that they did not produce. Namely "I play the game a lot so it's SE's fault!".

For me, the bottom line is the fact that this IP belongs to a for-profit company, with a ton of investors who like to see products profitable, and apparently some spoiled, entitled, people think that just because something in inconvenient for them, that it entitles them to a remedy from a company existing to make money.

I had no idea the other thread was deleted. Not like much going on around here usually

It was nuked because it was being flooded with the sock puppets. Looks like they're still here.

Lots of people are on anon accounts, deliberately trying to stir up drama. There is one of them commenting here.

when they shut down FFXI ppl will finaly find themself at a point where they didn't already sink in thousands of dollars and hours into SE's product. at that point SE can't force you to do anything, it'll probably be a pivotal point in their lives and they should make that fact very conscious in their minds befor they draw any conclusions what to do next.

as long as you have money you can always vote with your wallet, you just deny yourself that choice cause you rule out the option of letting XI die. just remember, in a capitalistic world, someone will realise how much money is to be made and make a product that fills the void XI left behind.

This is a solid point. when I was a kid I was going around the apartment complex taking people's trash out for a dollar just to make enough money to get my mom to let me play ffxi, so an introduction of 2 more dollars for something I might feel I "need" would feel pretty awful. (I am still salty about not being able to get the necklace that gave that airship teleport body).

damn, where can i donate some ointment for those burns.
nvm, forgot our side of the argument is the poor one.

Not sure why you added my posts or suggest it's a burn. My post was in regards to multiple threads and it isn't contradictory. Its p much the truth.

Also no other game will capture the magic for me like this one, so there won't be another product to fill it's void. XI is in a unique situation given is age it's not just some run of the mil mmo. It's one with a long history and certain timing on ppls lives.

While I agree with you on how the game makes you feel, Draylo, there are MMOs older than FFXI that are still going which likely did the same for others. I know people who tried FFXI back when it was relevant and it just wasn't for them for whatever their reason may be. Different strokes.

Nothing will ever live up to the memories it gave. I was a first wave OG player in this and WoW. Both (at the time) were extremely memorable. It doesn't mean they're not fun now.

the point was you were advocating against a cash shop in the 2016 thread and basically did a 180 in the 2022 one, not so much that there are two threads about the same topic.

i'm not very familiar with the XIV cash shop but to my knowledge they also offer QoL improvements for money similar to what XI does with their wardrobes.
you better get used to the thought that XI is going to die cause it will eventually, no matter how much money you as a individual are willing to pump into it.

This is like saying that person over there lived to 100 so you don't have to worry about your health, and you will also live to 100.

FFXI has very specific failure points that other mmorpgs do not.

all MMOs have pretty much the same failure point, they aren't turning a profit anymore so they get shut down.

I don't know of a single QoL item you can purchase.

Retainer services

just took a quick glance and it looks like you can buy some sort of mission/quest progress.

Don't compare XIV to this, it's not going to end well and if you like XIV you're just asking people to annoy you.

Fair. In comparison, FFXI applies the same fee to alternate characters.

and XI is certainly where they got the idea from, too. with not wanting to have an AH system, instead setting up Rolanmart sections of the primary cities, they wanted the alt money. obviously changed pretty early on because it was a ***system, but it is plain they wanted the same recurrent spending that people were willing to put up for in XI.

Someone pointed this out to me, I have forwarded it to Rooks for WTF is going on.

What a strange and twisted up way to interpret what I said.


And other MMOs have very specific failure points that FFXI does not. Your point?


While true, I don't know any serious player who pays for more. I know some top crafters who laugh when you mention extra retainers saying "if you need those, you're doing it wrong".

Glamour.

I know the various reasons, which is why I said I do not know any serious player who pays for more. It's not as necessary as wardrobes are here. I had 8 geared jobs in XIV and had no need for additional storage. I have 5 in XI and I'm 20/80 on wardrobe 4. And that's keeping all the "once in a blue moon" gear in my satchel.