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Let's start a riot?!?!
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2020-06-01 14:50:38
Police already have Internal Affairs supposedly policing them. You could make an argument that it's ineffective/corrupt/whatever, but any agency dedicated to policing police could just as easily end up the same way. It's harder for police officers to cover for each other if a true outsider is watching over them. Especially if they have the same level of power to police them as the police has over the general public.
Wow I'm shocked at all the opinions here, over at BG everyone is literally in a hivemind where they want to overthrow the police and let the looters control the government. You can't put an opinion without personal attacks. The looting is wrong and those people don't give a ***about the cause, they just want to watch the world burn and get a free phone or TV. It's appalling and honestly fills me with disgust. I feel bad for the peaceful protesters who want to make a difference. That's because BG is nothing but an echo chamber. That's what you get when you have overly partisan moderators there.
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By Leviathan.Draugo 2020-06-01 14:51:12
They are humans too, what don't you get? These people put so much pressure on them to be perfect and when one *** up, they are all lumped into the bunch. God, if I was a cop I would literally quit or protest and stay at home and let the looters protect the city. They get no support, nobody that realizes the good they do for the oommunity. They only get hippies and far left radicals that attack them for something they didn't do. One cop does not define the entire law enforcement in this country... its ridiculous. And I'm not trying to say one cop defines the entire law enforcement. I've met some actual nice cops and some terrible ones, but the issue is the nice cops are silent when ***hits the fan. If the actual good cops would step up when ***happens I don't think everyone would label them all bad. Clearly in that video one of those cops could of stepped in and helped that man. Their all as guilty as he is too.
But this is exactly what I'm talking about... Do you realize how many cops are in this country? I could show you videos right now of police STANDING/KNEELING with protesters! Not all of them are ***... The problem comes from the top down and when situations like this occur and nobody cares to understand the police either, they group up into this bro mentality of us vs them. None of this matters if the behavior continues, and continues to be covered up or attempted to cover it up.
Cops are cops though, you can't tell the good one from the bad when they pull you over until they victimize you or not. That doubt is a problem, it's an image problem, people fear cops for more reasons than flat out incarceration and this is an example.
As far as rioting is concerned, the political stuntery is getting bolder and bolder as time goes on. This is seriously becoming a problem with even attempting to have some sort of actual diplomacy amongst ourselves.
How far does the path of division lead before it will come down to murdering your neighbor over their political and or any other of their beliefs?
It's going to explode, this road we are on is baaaaad.
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By Draylo 2020-06-01 15:01:39
Okay and how do we fix it? You part of the "ACAB" abolish the police!?
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By Asura.Eiryl 2020-06-01 15:04:03
Okay and how do we fix it? You part of the "ACAB" abolish the police!?
Wide sweeping and systemic reform (just like what needs to happen with politicians ((99% OF THEM BOTH SIDES)) (((will never happen))))
Don't give *** cowards and people with sub 100 IQ badges and guns. IA literally doesn't work. You can't investigate yourselves, *** duh. Make them use the *** body cams. Take no excuses. Take away their APCs and machine guns.
These mother *** brought a TANK to a meth house in detroit warren, on the border of detroit. A TANK to arrest one *** guy.
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By Draylo 2020-06-01 15:12:01
So you're calling our police, and most likely our military, cowards with low IQ? These are the people thay risks their lives so you can be a keyboard warrior. Incredible. While I wont disagree that reform is needed along with psych evals and stricter screening, youre generalizing way too much
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By Leviathan.Draugo 2020-06-01 15:12:18
Draylo said: ยป
Okay and how do we fix it? You part of the "ACAB" abolish the police!?
Wide sweeping and systemic reform (just like what needs to happen with politicians ((99% OF THEM BOTH SIDES)) (((will never happen))))
Either this, or.... People historically have taken matters into their own hands.
So either put down the bricks, everyone start talking, quit victimizing each other, be honest, maybe we won't nuke ourselves and take the planet out with us.
Or we can keep fighting and hating and harming, as we have done plenty of times in the past, and crumble under violence and over population until we consume every thing around us.
Business as usual, this is fine, as intended.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2020-06-01 15:13:59
These mother *** brought a TANK to a meth house in detroit warren, on the border of detroit. A TANK to arrest one *** guy.
Clearly the dude got too many wanted stars.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2020-06-01 15:14:02
So you're calling our police, and most likely our military, cowards with low IQ? These are the people thay risks their lives so you can be a keyboard warrior. Incredible. While I wont disagree that reform is needed along with psych evals and stricter screening, youre generalizing way too much They very much are. They're scared of everything. Why do you think they bring 4 cars with 2 officers each for speeding tickets. Yes, I have been pulled over by 8 *** cops. For 5 over. Their backup, needed backup, and backup for the backup backup.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/court-oks-barring-high-iqs-cops/story?id=95836
Quote: Jordan, a 49-year-old college graduate, took the exam in 1996 and scored 33 points, the equivalent of an IQ of 125. But New London police interviewed only candidates who scored 20 to 27, on the theory that those who scored too high could get bored with police work and leave soon after undergoing costly training.
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By Leviathan.Draugo 2020-06-01 15:19:11
Aaaannnnddd nuked.
By Xaander 2020-06-01 15:21:02
You posted a lot of progressive pseudo-intellectual buzzwords and, within two paragraphs, claimed both that the statistics showing that blacks commit a significantly higher amount of violent crime proportionate to their population compared to whites is false (without counter-evidence) AND that "even if it's true, they're only violent because they haven't been given enough."
You complain about "warping" statistics, but you ignore the raw numbers because they disprove your racist theory. You say that blacks make up 12.7% of the population?
blacks commit 53.1% of all murder and negligent homicides. Are they being framed for murder at a rate 4x their population percentage?
blacks commit 28.7% of all rape. Are they being framed for rape at a rate of 2x their population percentage?
blacks commit 54.3% of all robbery. Are they being framed for robbery at a rate of 4x their population percentage?
blacks commit 33.5% of all aggravated assault. Are they being framed for aggravated assault at a rate of 3x their population percentage?
blacks commit 29.8% of all burglary. Are they being framed for burglary at a rate of 2.5x their population percentage?
blacks commit 29.1% of all larceny/theft. Are they being framed for larceny/theft at a rate of 2.5x their population percentage?
blacks commit 30.3% of all motor vehicle theft. Are they being framed for motor vehicle theft at a rate of 2.5x their population percentage?
blacks commit 25.2% of all arson. Are they being framed for arson at a rate of 2.5x their population percentage?
Add it all up and blacks commit 37.5% of all violent crime. Are they being framed for all violent crime at a rate of 3x their population percentage?
We're not talking about pulling people over for "driving while black." We're talking about murder, armed robbery, rape, arson, etc. Are you going to claim there's a mass, coordinated conspiracy to frame blacks for all of these violent crimes?
For the sake of comparison:
whites make up 72% of the population, but commit 58.5% of violent crime.
blacks make up 12.6% of the population, but commit 37.5% of violent crime.
These are actual statistics. There is no such thing as "systemic racism" in America today. Your brain has been warped by the radical lies of the education system and mainstream media, which are infested with people so obsessed with race that they hate themselves for something they didn't do, no one in their entire family line did, and in reality only an extremely small number of people were involved in and all of whom have been dead for a century. You're making very poor excuses, based on no evidence, for extremely poor behavior from one group.
Here are some other unpleasant facts for the race baiters:
African tribes have been at war with each other since the dawn of man. It's still going on today, which is why most of Africa is so violent that you can't even visit. Violence is instinctual and a part of the only way of life they know. For thousands of years, African tribes warred with and conquered each other. The victors would take the defeated as slaves and trade them to muslim slavers.
muslim slavers would sell these slaves to western European trading companies.
Western European trading companies would transport them all around the world and sell them at auction as a labor force.
Only 3.6% of all slaves captured were transported to the Americas. The rest ended up elsewhere in the world, as they had for centuries.
Less than 2% of the population of the Americas owned slaves.
The United States was one of the first countries in the world to abolish slavery, which is a practice as old as humans.
Members of every ethnicity have been enslaved throughout history. This is not exclusive to black Africans. Millions of whites, jews, and hispanics have been enslaved throughout history.
No other ethnicity, upon being freed from bondage, has continued to behave as violently as those originating from Africa; especially for 155 years. Do you see jews demanding reparations from Egyptian and muslim slavers and perpetually living in ghettos? Do you see descendants of white european slaves demanding reparations from north african and muslim slavers, and perpetually living in ghettos? The answer is no, these other ethnicities elevated themselves out of their plights.
You should educate yourself on actual history, rather than continue to make excuses for poor behavior based on your own lack of knowledge and racist ideology.[/quote] Spoilered for idiocy and flagrant white supremacy
Summary of Commodus' key points:
- Ignoring how systemic and systematic racism have created pockets of concentrated poverty in black communities is key to upholding his world view;
- victim blaming is an integral part of his moral compass;
- a justice system that disproportionately targets people of color and then reports the number of charges made against people by race is somehow proving his points on white supremacy;
- he believes, somehow, reparations arguments in modern America having something/anything to do with police murdering black people;
- using his mastery of world history, he has spoken with the ancient egyptians and learned they were never asked for compensation, somehow decided that Africa and its people have been and are more war like than the rest of the entire world, and has come to the conclusion that his genius ideas somehow justify the current race problem in America;
- He believes since America abolished slavery it's all good now and more irrelevant points about the slave trade; and
- anyone who disagrees is uneducated, racist, race-baiting, a pawn of the mainstream media, and trying to "excuse poor behavior" of black people.
Thanks man. You did it! You won America! Thank goodness our wounds are healed now. I'll send you that award Trump got for being Michigan's man of the year.
By Jetackuu 2020-06-01 15:22:59
Don't need people to think, just obey. Cops are notorious morons and few know the law, just their department guidelines.
This is why you have rights violations across the board despite constant court cases being against them, but they aren't personally held accountable and therein lies a huge part of the issue
Pigs need to go, bootlickers be damned.
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By Leviathan.Draugo 2020-06-01 15:24:43
This post is pending moderation. InB4 ;;
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2020-06-01 15:25:02
The two are not parallel, the police have not only the duty to prevent inner corruption, they also have the means, unless all cops, or there is so much of even an extreme majority of them are corrupt, then, welcome to the ***show you see here. Mix in pre-election ***stirrers, and magic bricks, welcome to the "democratic" process 2020. I think it's a little deeper than that.
Because you have a group of people who is constantly demeaned and ridiculed on a daily basis (and yes, cops are demeaned and ridiculed on a daily basis, well before this incident occurred), you are going to find out that they like to stick together on ***. Especially when one of their own does some really bad ***.
Which is why I think having an agency that is completely separate and not-accountable with the same department police them is a better answer than any IA can ever do.
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By Viciouss 2020-06-01 15:29:31
Wow nice thread you guys got going here..who can we blame for creating it? >.>
We wanted to go to the Austin cleanup this morning and then possibly join the protests, but once again covid won the argument. Texas added 2k cases yesterday and its just not worth it. All those people are gonna get sick and a lot of them are gonna die. It was relatively peaceful last night, we had a fire in my area but I don't know if it was related to the riots, nothing has been happening this far south.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2020-06-01 15:33:29
If you let a piece of ***be a piece of ***, surprise, you're a piece of ***too. So, you agree then.
Police unions have to go, right?
Because that is who protected that piece of ***all these years. 17 disciplinary reports and no punishments due to police union interactions should have been a red flag.
By RadialArcana 2020-06-01 15:34:50
Shows a clear racial disparity.
Do I need to actually point out why this is? It's not racism.
Yeah, you're going to have to help me out with this one.
Among the poor black and hispanic community (and some others), men are far more likely to have a high machismo attitude than poor white and asian men are. It's a cultural thing.
Cops are trained to have a dominant attitude because that works with the majority of people, they want instant compliance with whatever they are asking of you. Cops are not trained to deal with people in different ways, they just get a one size fits all approach because anything else is seen as showing weakness.
When you have a group of people that are more likely to have a high machismo attitude and you couple it with a police officer that has been trained to show dominance, things are going to escalate more often than with the other groups. One side sees disrespect, the other sees a lack of compliance.
As such, a simple traffic stop can turn into a violent struggle, an arrest and maybe even a shooting really easily.
It's a complicated issue, you can't just compare like for like and say it's the cops being racist.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2020-06-01 15:39:55
Texas added 2k cases yesterday and its just not worth it. Wow, the common cold must really scare you then.
Texas gets more common cold cases by the day year round.....
By Viciouss 2020-06-01 15:43:17
Okay and how do we fix it? You part of the "ACAB" abolish the police!?
Wide sweeping and systemic reform (just like what needs to happen with politicians ((99% OF THEM BOTH SIDES)) (((will never happen))))
Don't give *** cowards and people with sub 100 IQ badges and guns. IA literally doesn't work. You can't investigate yourselves, *** duh. Make them use the *** body cams. Take no excuses. Take away their APCs and machine guns.
These mother *** brought a TANK to a meth house in detroit warren, on the border of detroit. A TANK to arrest one *** guy.
Bravery and intelligence don't go hand in hand. Its fair to call the lowest rung of the ladder of both the police force and the military dumb, especially the military. But I would stop short of calling them cowards. No one knows how they will react to a situation until they experience it.
I do think the bar should be higher on the IQ ladder to become a police officer. The whole goal of any career should be to start out on the bottom and work your way up the ladder, in this case, make detective and get off the street. This was a feat that was too much for the guy that murdered Gavin Floyd, we have all seen his record that consists of so many infractions, which leads me to question why he was allowed to be a cop for so long without moving up the ladder.
Thats not even possible in the military, if you fall off your promotion path, your on the path out, as in, heading for a discharge. I think a similar system needs to be implemented in the police force. There shouldn't be any 20 year street cops. If you can't get a promotion, you can't stay. We don't need people taking their angst out on the populace.
Moving on to your body cams point, yes, times are finally changing. Video is everywhere, everyone has a cellphone, and the notorious blue wall is vulnerable. No longer can 4 cops gang up on one citizen, kill them, and concoct a story that the jury will believe, if it even gets that far. We might even start to see some convictions, which have been so maddeningly infrequent and led to..riots.
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By Valefor.Commodus 2020-06-01 15:50:54
You posted a lot of progressive pseudo-intellectual buzzwords and, within two paragraphs, claimed both that the statistics showing that blacks commit a significantly higher amount of violent crime proportionate to their population compared to whites is false (without counter-evidence) AND that "even if it's true, they're only violent because they haven't been given enough."
You complain about "warping" statistics, but you ignore the raw numbers because they disprove your racist theory. You say that blacks make up 12.7% of the population?
blacks commit 53.1% of all murder and negligent homicides. Are they being framed for murder at a rate 4x their population percentage?
blacks commit 28.7% of all rape. Are they being framed for rape at a rate of 2x their population percentage?
blacks commit 54.3% of all robbery. Are they being framed for robbery at a rate of 4x their population percentage?
blacks commit 33.5% of all aggravated assault. Are they being framed for aggravated assault at a rate of 3x their population percentage?
blacks commit 29.8% of all burglary. Are they being framed for burglary at a rate of 2.5x their population percentage?
blacks commit 29.1% of all larceny/theft. Are they being framed for larceny/theft at a rate of 2.5x their population percentage?
blacks commit 30.3% of all motor vehicle theft. Are they being framed for motor vehicle theft at a rate of 2.5x their population percentage?
blacks commit 25.2% of all arson. Are they being framed for arson at a rate of 2.5x their population percentage?
Add it all up and blacks commit 37.5% of all violent crime. Are they being framed for all violent crime at a rate of 3x their population percentage?
We're not talking about pulling people over for "driving while black." We're talking about murder, armed robbery, rape, arson, etc. Are you going to claim there's a mass, coordinated conspiracy to frame blacks for all of these violent crimes?
For the sake of comparison:
whites make up 72% of the population, but commit 58.5% of violent crime.
blacks make up 12.6% of the population, but commit 37.5% of violent crime.
These are actual statistics. There is no such thing as "systemic racism" in America today. Your brain has been warped by the radical lies of the education system and mainstream media, which are infested with people so obsessed with race that they hate themselves for something they didn't do, no one in their entire family line did, and in reality only an extremely small number of people were involved in and all of whom have been dead for a century. You're making very poor excuses, based on no evidence, for extremely poor behavior from one group.
Here are some other unpleasant facts for the race baiters:
African tribes have been at war with each other since the dawn of man. It's still going on today, which is why most of Africa is so violent that you can't even visit. Violence is instinctual and a part of the only way of life they know. For thousands of years, African tribes warred with and conquered each other. The victors would take the defeated as slaves and trade them to muslim slavers.
muslim slavers would sell these slaves to western European trading companies.
Western European trading companies would transport them all around the world and sell them at auction as a labor force.
Only 3.6% of all slaves captured were transported to the Americas. The rest ended up elsewhere in the world, as they had for centuries.
Less than 2% of the population of the Americas owned slaves.
The United States was one of the first countries in the world to abolish slavery, which is a practice as old as humans.
Members of every ethnicity have been enslaved throughout history. This is not exclusive to black Africans. Millions of whites, jews, and hispanics have been enslaved throughout history.
No other ethnicity, upon being freed from bondage, has continued to behave as violently as those originating from Africa; especially for 155 years. Do you see jews demanding reparations from Egyptian and muslim slavers and perpetually living in ghettos? Do you see descendants of white european slaves demanding reparations from north african and muslim slavers, and perpetually living in ghettos? The answer is no, these other ethnicities elevated themselves out of their plights.
You should educate yourself on actual history, rather than continue to make excuses for poor behavior based on your own lack of knowledge and racist ideology.
Spoilered for idiocy and flagrant white supremacy
Summary of Commodus' key points:
- Ignoring how systemic and systematic racism have created pockets of concentrated poverty in black communities is key to upholding his world view;
- victim blaming is an integral part of his moral compass;
- a justice system that disproportionately targets people of color and then reports the number of charges made against people by race is somehow proving his points on white supremacy;
- he believes, somehow, reparations arguments in modern America having something/anything to do with police murdering black people;
- using his mastery of world history, he has spoken with the ancient egyptians and learned they were never asked for compensation, somehow decided that Africa and its people have been and are more war like than the rest of the entire world, and has come to the conclusion that his genius ideas somehow justify the current race problem in America;
- He believes since America abolished slavery it's all good now and more irrelevant points about the slave trade; and
- anyone who disagrees is uneducated, racist, race-baiting, a pawn of the mainstream media, and trying to "excuse poor behavior" of black people.
Thanks man. You did it! You won America! Thank goodness our wounds our healed now. I'll send you that award Trump got for being Michigan's man of the year.
This is why it's impossible to have an adult conversation with race-obsessed nutjobs like you. Instead of even attempting to refute any of the crime statistics or historical events cited, you declare that anyone who cites stats or history is a "white supremacist." You didn't address a single thing I said, because you don't have an argument and your perpetual victim mentality won't allow you to accept historical fact that disproves your emotion-based, racist conspiracy theories about how the white man is the source of all your problems.
Again, there's no such thing as "systemic racism" in America today. If you're able to read and understand basic numbers: blacks murder whites at more than double the rate of the opposite, and blacks mostly murder other blacks. Blacks victimize whites and other blacks at an alarming rate compared to other races. You ignore all data and continue to believe your insane conspiracy theory that blacks are being framed for violent crime at a rate almost 4x that of whites. You dismiss all history that doesn't fit your warped, racist ideology.
Bottom line, you have a racist viewpoint that doesn't match reality, and no evidence or facts to back up anything that you've claimed. Just a bunch of pseudo-intellectual buzzwords you were brainwashed into repeating ad nauseam by some self-loathing leftist professor in your intro to black studies class.
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By RadialArcana 2020-06-01 15:57:02
wew lad this escalated quickly.
By Viciouss 2020-06-01 15:57:18
Huh, using conviction rates as a means to deny racism, Why am I not surprised?
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By Leviathan.Draugo 2020-06-01 16:08:14
I'll be amazed if this thread makes it to 10 pages without being nuked This post is pending moderation. InB4 ;;
By Viciouss 2020-06-01 16:09:56
Don't overestimate the mods here lol. But that said we did have a thread for this in P&R already, and it was just as bad.
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By Sylph.Kuwoobie 2020-06-01 16:11:42
Am I the only one who looks at all the burning cars and buildings and things getting smashed to pieces and thinks it all looks like an awesome good time?
By Jetackuu 2020-06-01 16:11:45
This is bad?
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By Asura.Eiryl 2020-06-01 16:14:06
The other one is still open...
By onoitsme 2020-06-01 16:16:57
No justice, no peace!
By Xaander 2020-06-01 16:17:44
Commodus - This is why it's impossible to have an adult conversation with race-obsessed nutjobs like you. Instead of even attempting to refute any of the crime statistics or historical events cited, you declare that anyone who cites stats or history is a "white supremacist." You didn't address a single thing I said, because you don't have an argument and your perpetual victim mentality won't allow you to accept historical fact that disproves your emotion-based, racist conspiracy theories about how the white man is the source of all your problems.
Again, there's no such thing as "systemic racism" in America today. If you're able to read and understand basic numbers: blacks murder whites at more than double the rate of the opposite, and blacks mostly murder other blacks. Blacks victimize whites and other blacks at an alarming rate compared to other races. You ignore all data and continue to believe your insane conspiracy theory that blacks are being framed for violent crime at a rate almost 4x that of whites. You dismiss all history that doesn't fit your warped, racist ideology.
Bottom line, you have a racist viewpoint that doesn't match reality, and no evidence or facts to back up anything that you've claimed. Just a bunch of pseudo-intellectual buzzwords you were brainwashed into repeating ad nauseam by some self-loathing leftist professor in your intro to black studies class.[/quote]
Again, spoilered for the same reasons as before.
There are plenty of studies and data out there supporting that arrests, charges, convictions, and even disparities in parole based on race exist and are significant. Here's one that's actually relevant to the topic at hand:
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0141854
If you want to probe the depths here's a link to more and there are even a few in here that even show no disparate impact in some situations that you can jerk off to - https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/opinions/wp/2018/09/18/theres-overwhelming-evidence-that-the-criminal-justice-system-is-racist-heres-the-proof/
While there are problems with data, the main issue here is what you're using the data for. You assume high numbers in a category are complete justification that the system is working as intended, when the exact same high numbers help prove the point that people are in, and destroyed by, the justice system because of the color of their skin. No amount of data will help you. As much as I wish it would.
So yea been out of the loop, has the rebellion began?
Is sublime gonna make a 2020 edition? What cities are popping off? What was the "last straw"?
Stay tuned for more excitement in 2020....
Edit: diverting the latest corona shenanigans from random thoughts.
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