Random Politics & Religion #14

Actually, this is the most civil conversation we had on this forum. If not the most civil, one of the most civil.

The problem with that is: How can we enforce it? Just as we have to force businesses to pay that, we also have to force people to live with the, what the government considers to be minimal necessaries to life.

In reality, what you are asking for is full-blown Socialism.

That is absolutely not true. The thing about what dictates a living wage is the "fairness" of how a person should be paid. You can't say that a cashier at a grocery chain should earn the same amount as a lawyer practicing law. Those are two different jobs, and should be treated as such, but the "living wage" advocates don't see it as that.

Then again, they advocate Socialism, which in of itself something completely different and will never achieve it's purpose, mainly because we are all human.

I understand how you "open-minded people" want to shut out all divisive opinions others may have, but it's not going to help at all if you keep ignoring other people....

That's what they've all been advocating. It's funny cause the concept of a "living wage" really depends on what exactly someone defines as expenses. They throw in "healthcare" but those expenses dramatically differ based on the individual and their "needs". Also the CoL in the USA varies so wildly between area's that a natural level is functionally impossible. The "living wage" of San Francisco is so extremely different from some rural town that they might as well be different countries. It would be like trying to force Egypt to have the same minimum wage as Sweden and expect Egypt's economy to not implode.

So that's your shtick. You just reword and expound upon what someone on the other side of the argument already indicated would be the major variable to address. To add the twist, you pretend that the opposing side is completely ignorant of the matter and pontificate like no one already read it in a one line summary.


That or you just actually don't read what people post.

You'd guys be surprised how much of the people you belittle because they don't agree with your tone and points actually read what you write.

I'm not the one claiming to be "open minded," although one doesn't have to keep making such claim if they really are.

I'm just pointing out the irony of those who claim to be open minded, but dismiss ideas outside their realm of thought.

At least I'm trying to have a conversation with 2 people who are obviously against whatever viewpoints I have. If I wanted to stop the discussion, I would not reply to your current points.

Jokes on you, we don't have that

There's also the question as what is considered a "necessary."

To a person in San Francisco, they may not need a vehicle to go to work and back every day, whereas somebody in San Antonio would.

Then you have the additional expenses such as TV, cable, phone, internet, and so on/so forth. Are any of them necessary? Who's to say how a person should live?

It already is.

His words, not mine.

I got some therapy for everyone:

I'd wager it was more that he realized that someone wanted nothing more than to silence his opinion so he just decided to be the bigger person.

But then again what do I know. Since that same person likes to do nothing but attempt to tell me I know nothing and am nothing but an *** that doesn't deserve respect, time and time again.

"A wise man knows he knows nothing".

Relax if you cared this much the election Hillary would have won !

If you guys are tired of having a "this conversation" how come I'm seeing page after page of this ***with no end in sight ?

Because your society is different than the US.

Thanks to Obamacare, not many companies are offering 40 hour per week work, especially for those whose skills are subpar to the company and country.

Also, we are not taxed to death like you are, so there's our tradeoff. Also, while we don't produce as much as we once did, we still produce more than Canada does. There's another tradeoff.

Canada and US are two completely different countries, and impossible to compare societies against each other.

Blue eyed Texan or brown eyed Texan?

Everything.

And your opinion is based on your viewpoints between our societies.

Which, like I stated, are two completely different things and impossible to compare.

That explains a lot.

It is but not the conclusion that was being drawn.

We are pseudo-free market capitalist that pretend to care about the quality of life and rights of our citizens and the development of small businesses because that is marketable and makes us look super cool and attractive to the people outside the country.

Whereas you're some what free market capitalists that actually care about the quality of life and rights of your citizens and developing small business; because that is the right thing to do to build a strong country.

We are far more capitalistic and opportunist when comes to taking advantage of our fellow man. We've also done a real good job of making people not want to come to your country; by telling the world you're boring and lame. Though you have a cleaner environment, better job opportunities, actual socio-economic upward mobility, along with decent health care that we demonize because we don't want the rest of the world to know about it. We're insecure like that we don't want potential immigrants picking you over us.

But really we're good, sane and stable people down here in the states, honest.

This is somewhere in the american anthem too right?

Why do you think "socialism" is a curse word here?

I'd be interested. I work with the Akimel O'Odham, Tohono O'Odham, Navajo, White River and San Carlos Apache reservations on a daily basis. Every now and then some Oneida and Ojibwe. I enjoy learning about other cultures, but not in the tourist sense.