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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-11-26 12:22:33
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Caitsith.Shiroi said: »
It certainly is ok now, thats the kind of strong leader Trump likes. Anyways its not like violating human rights is anything new in America
Before you start going after a foreign country about human rights violations, why don't you clean up your own mess first.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2016-11-26 13:29:40
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Asura.Saevel said: »
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Cuba made the same mistakes that Cambodia did, believing that Communism was this great new world order that would solve all problems of power distribution....
Cambodia had problems with its "communist" leaders that Cuba never had.

I could go into the differences between the states and their leaders, but somehow I suspect nuanced discussions are a TLDR for you.

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Sounds like you want to move to Cuba !
Not until I need medical interventions that would bankrupt me here.
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By Yatenkou 2016-11-26 16:19:57
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Shiva.Nikolce said: »
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What is the point of a recount exactly to prove Trump won again ?

To disprove the remote possibility that Russian hackers wanted trump to win so badly that they hacked the voting machines in Wisconsin and Liberal tinfoil hats look more fashionable then conservative ones.
That's not the objective. Jill is stalling the electoral votes until December 13th, its the only reason she would even ask for the recounts to be done by hand. This requires a judge's approval as well, and if the states aren't done with their recounts by 13th, they aren't counted. Unless I'm dead wrong, which I more than likely am, Jill is literally trying to stall so MI, WI, and PA don't get counted. No one believes in vote hacking, not even the Clinton campaign team, and yet this person who got 1% of the vote is demanding a recount? *** fishy if you ask me.
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By Anna Ruthven 2016-11-26 16:21:10
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Yatenkou said: »
No one believes in vote hacking
I do, if only to piss you off.
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By Yatenkou 2016-11-26 16:34:17
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Anna Ruthven said: »
Yatenkou said: »
No one believes in vote hacking
I do, if only to piss you off.
listen here u lil ***.
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By fonewear 2016-11-26 17:20:54
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Anna Ruthven said: »
Yatenkou said: »
No one believes in vote hacking
I do, if only to piss you off.
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By fonewear 2016-11-26 17:23:25
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I found a mental image I have of all of you:

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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-11-26 17:47:20
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Yatenkou said: »
Jill is stalling the electoral votes until December 13th, its the only reason she would even ask for the recounts to be done by hand.
Man, it sucks then that the votes are on December 19th.

Yatenkou said: »
This requires a judge's approval as well, and if the states aren't done with their recounts by 13th, they aren't counted. Unless I'm dead wrong, which I more than likely am, Jill is literally trying to stall so MI, WI, and PA don't get counted.
If they don't get counted, Trump still wins from the House vote that comes after if the EC doesn't elect the Prez.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-11-26 17:47:55
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Yatenkou said: »
Anna Ruthven said: »
Yatenkou said: »
No one believes in vote hacking
I do, if only to piss you off.
listen here u lil ***.
Just toss a relative at him to shut him up.
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2016-11-26 18:05:41
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Yatenkou said: »
That's not the objective. Jill is stalling the electoral votes until December 13th .

The really real reason is she jusg wants to raise money, legitimize the green party and get attention.
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By Pantafernando 2016-11-26 19:16:59
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I normally like to hear tv news while playing tv.

Today i couldnt do that, and most likely i wont do it the entire week.

In the morning i was informed that fidel castro died. It didnt take long before tv called a so called specialist to say some random *** about castro. And quickly the conversation throwed so many *** like he worked for a better work, a world of equals etc. Here in brasil, guevara and castro are considered "heroes of the revolution" or whatever its called that bloody dictatorship. They were the force that "rebeled" against the "empire" of US, god know wtf is this.

Brazilian tv certainly will produce loads of documentaries about castro and cuba, and repeat ad nauseam. All from the populist pov.

I cant stand this, i guess no tv for me this week.
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By Yatenkou 2016-11-26 23:21:57
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Shiva.Nikolce said: »
Yatenkou said: »
That's not the objective. Jill is stalling the electoral votes until December 13th .

The really real reason is she jusg wants to raise money, legitimize the green party and get attention.
Why not just blow Soros a little then?
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2016-11-27 00:00:00
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coincidence?

it's a meme so it has to be "troofy"
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By fonewear 2016-11-27 09:45:00
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Some dictators are just too beautiful for this world !
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By Yatenkou 2016-11-27 10:10:22
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So it looks like Michigan is going to be initiating their THIRD RECOUNT. Pennsylvania however might not do the recount as Jill has to have a judge's approval, but it's confirmed that one of Soros' man is on the team lobbying for the recount.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/11/oops-jill-stein-cannot-file-direct-request-recount-pennsylvania-must-take-court/
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By Yatenkou 2016-11-27 10:16:00
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To kinda add to the post, prima facie while it's not as strict as reasonable doubt like in other investigations, the Clinton campaign team, Stein's group, and even experts have said there's no evidence of fraud or hacking. The judge more than likely will throw a monkey wrench into Stein's plans.

But this just begs the question: What is Stein's endgame here? She said countless times that she doesn't like Hillary, but now she's getting financial backing from George Soros? I think it's extremely fishy, because one of Soros' lawyers is helping her, and she managed to raise so much money seemingly overnight (With a lot of people on the internet thinking Soros is behind it along with desperate democrats.)
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By fonewear 2016-11-27 10:17:33
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Yatenkou said: »
To kinda add to the post, prima facie while it's not as strict as reasonable doubt like in other investigations, the Clinton campaign team, Stein's group, and even experts have said there's no evidence of fraud or hacking. The judge more than likely will throw a monkey wrench into Stein's plans.

But this just begs the question: What is Stein's endgame here? She said countless times that she doesn't like Hillary, but now she's getting financial backing from George Soros? I think it's extremely fishy, because one of Soros' lawyers is helping her, and she managed to raise so much money seemingly overnight (With a lot of people on the internet thinking Soros is behind it along with desperate democrats.)

She's a woman enough said !
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-11-27 12:14:45
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Yatenkou said: »
To kinda add to the post, prima facie while it's not as strict as reasonable doubt like in other investigations, the Clinton campaign team, Stein's group, and even experts have said there's no evidence of fraud or hacking. The judge more than likely will throw a monkey wrench into Stein's plans.

But this just begs the question: What is Stein's endgame here? She said countless times that she doesn't like Hillary, but now she's getting financial backing from George Soros? I think it's extremely fishy, because one of Soros' lawyers is helping her, and she managed to raise so much money seemingly overnight (With a lot of people on the internet thinking Soros is behind it along with desperate democrats.)
Either she keeps the remaining funds that went unused or was promised a cabinet position if Clinton were to win. The later would explain her immediate desperation of the whole recount.
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By Yatenkou 2016-11-27 12:21:00
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Yatenkou said: »
To kinda add to the post, prima facie while it's not as strict as reasonable doubt like in other investigations, the Clinton campaign team, Stein's group, and even experts have said there's no evidence of fraud or hacking. The judge more than likely will throw a monkey wrench into Stein's plans.

But this just begs the question: What is Stein's endgame here? She said countless times that she doesn't like Hillary, but now she's getting financial backing from George Soros? I think it's extremely fishy, because one of Soros' lawyers is helping her, and she managed to raise so much money seemingly overnight (With a lot of people on the internet thinking Soros is behind it along with desperate democrats.)
Either she keeps the remaining funds that went unused or was promised a cabinet position if Clinton were to win. The later would explain her immediate desperation of the whole recount.
Well this is complete ***, if she wins the election after this whole recount business, you're going to end up with a president who can't pass jack ***in office, and the republicans can still get their stuff done for the most part. Clinton is useless, even if she abuses her executive powers, it'll all get turned over, and there'll be bigger protests than what there is now.

I promise you that, if people think the protests right now are bad, if they steal this election through surreptitious means, that's going to be the final straw to start the second Civil War in America
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-11-27 12:23:49
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Clinton's whole premise is to be as obstructiveness as possible, while blaming the Republicans for her use of EOs.

Kindof like the last 6 years.

Except this time, Obama's legacy is sealed for another 4 years (assuming she won). Problem is, all it would take would be a Republican WH with Congress to erase the last 8 years. Oh hey, isn't that what they are going to do when Trump gets sworn in?
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By Garuda.Chanti 2016-11-27 13:40:04
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Yatenkou said: »
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But this just begs the question: What is Stein's endgame here? ...
Discrediting the electoral college? Discrediting the election process? Poking Trump and Putin in the eye?

Keeping herself in the headlines?

Any other ideas?
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By Yatenkou 2016-11-27 13:51:21
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But this just begs the question: What is Stein's endgame here? ...
Discrediting the electoral college? Discrediting the election process? Poking Trump and Putin in the eye?

Keeping herself in the headlines?

Any other ideas?
Yeah, pocketing the leftover money for the Green Party.
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By fonewear 2016-11-27 18:49:57
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Suggestion for next P n R title "Trump won you little *** !"
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By Ruaumoko 2016-11-27 19:26:28
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Hard to believe all this post-election drama ranging from protests to accusations of FBI interference let alone Russian interference is still going. I thought that the petition to hold a second Brexit referendum was pathetic from the regressive left but this is something else.

Trump hasn't even taken office yet. It might be all well for me, being Johnny Foreigner looking in, to tell you to give Trump a few years at least but ultimately you need to have faith. I actually have a sneaking suspicion Trump will be an excellent president. His first term will be rocky but, and I think he will win a second term handsomely, his second term will be what defines his administration.

I don't like doubting or outright blanking people on the basis of ideological difference. Do your best Donald, you might be facing a Kobayashi Maru scenario here... not many could fault you for trying and losing.
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By fonewear 2016-11-27 20:12:24
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I spent the next three years in a POW camp, forced to subsist on a thin stew made of fish, vegetables, prawns, coconut milk, and four kinds of rice. I came close to madness trying to find it here in the States, but they just can't get the spices right!
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