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Best Job?
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By Caitsith.Marleysativa 2011-01-10 07:03:46
Asura.Bartimaeus said: I used them because I didn't have rajas. For seriously cop was too much running. xD
My gimp aside, why are you bringing up my name Spicy? lol
I'm pretty new here, but I'd bet it's because of the 'stache bro.
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By Asura.Buddhsie 2011-01-10 07:19:34
Caitsith.Marleysativa said: Unicorn.Marrs said: Caitsith.Marleysativa said: Unicorn.Marrs said: Unicorn.Marrs said: Caitsith.Marleysativa said: What context OP? For most of what I do it's always MNK, WHM, BLM, THF. Depends on the people you do stuff with really. My point is these can all be part of the equation to decide as well, for example another 1 - 10 category could be necessity to a party/alliance/duo partner etc. Like I said, I realize this is a complex question. Which blu would actually do good in as well, being that it could heal a partner is well. Seems like blu is doing fairly well in this thread no? This just out of curiosity on your part or just trying to mimic the DD hierarchy BG thread? If it's just curiosity I wouldn't know where to start. Don't think that my views on BLU are purely negative either. I haven't visited BG forums in forever. But curiousity. I don't have blu unlocked as well it might be worth noting. My onry jobs are PLD RDM BLM. BLM being main. PLD has no use anymore to be honest, so there's a start. Since they've added atmas RDM and BLM nuking is somewhat on par with melees. BLM is a really good grellow trigger job. My friend is basically permanently BLM, while the other is WHM. Also, calling *** on Spicey and not Buddhsie is kinda lame. He's right that they (BLU) can cover different tasks, but they will NEVER beat out one of the specialists.
You're assuming everyone doesn't suck at the game lol ;; I would be content saying that a specialised DD job can beat blu given that it's geared equally as well as mine (well maybe just war and drg). The problem is that 99% of them aren't :s
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By Caitsith.Marleysativa 2011-01-10 07:35:07
Asura.Buddhsie said: Caitsith.Marleysativa said: Unicorn.Marrs said: Caitsith.Marleysativa said: Unicorn.Marrs said: Unicorn.Marrs said: Caitsith.Marleysativa said: What context OP? For most of what I do it's always MNK, WHM, BLM, THF. Depends on the people you do stuff with really. My point is these can all be part of the equation to decide as well, for example another 1 - 10 category could be necessity to a party/alliance/duo partner etc. Like I said, I realize this is a complex question. Which blu would actually do good in as well, being that it could heal a partner is well. Seems like blu is doing fairly well in this thread no? This just out of curiosity on your part or just trying to mimic the DD hierarchy BG thread? If it's just curiosity I wouldn't know where to start. Don't think that my views on BLU are purely negative either. I haven't visited BG forums in forever. But curiousity. I don't have blu unlocked as well it might be worth noting. My onry jobs are PLD RDM BLM. BLM being main. PLD has no use anymore to be honest, so there's a start. Since they've added atmas RDM and BLM nuking is somewhat on par with melees. BLM is a really good grellow trigger job. My friend is basically permanently BLM, while the other is WHM. Also, calling *** on Spicey and not Buddhsie is kinda lame. He's right that they (BLU) can cover different tasks, but they will NEVER beat out one of the specialists.
You're assuming everyone doesn't suck at the game lol ;; I would be content saying that a specialised DD job can beat blu given that it's geared equally as well as mine (well maybe just war and drg). The problem is that 99% of them aren't :s
Pretty sure a Verethragna MNK will hand a BLU its ***, as well as a NIN.
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By Bahamut.Kara 2011-01-10 07:35:58
Why pick just one job? If you haven't been playing since abyssea came out then maybe you don't know that it only takes a few hours to get from 85-90 (or 75-80 etc). I think you listed only having three jobs? Won't take very long to have them at 90 and then make your decision from there.
Each time SE has increased the update level the jobs have been adjusted in some way. So play and gear what you have fun doing.
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By Asura.Buddhsie 2011-01-10 07:37:21
Didn't think we were considering jobs with Empyreans, I don't think that's the reason the thread was made, but since you brought it up, Almace is pretty bad *** too.. so that comment needs verification :p
By Artemicion 2011-01-10 07:37:34
Here's a concept:
Play what's fun.
Level something "useful" on the side for events.
By Luz 2011-01-10 07:38:18
Artemicion said: Here's a concept:
Play what's fun.
Level something "useful" on the side for events. Teach me how to type in my sleep :D
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2011-01-10 07:39:48
Artemicion said: Here's a concept:
Play what's fun.
Level something "useful" on the side for events.
You know what I find? AH killed XI for me.
This is the last time I go to a fan forum for an MMO I play.
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By Caitsith.Marleysativa 2011-01-10 07:40:50
Asura.Buddhsie said: Didn't think we were considering jobs with Empyreans, I don't think that's the reason the thread was made, but since you brought it up, Almace is pretty bad *** too.. so that comment needs verification :p
I was under the impression you had one, which is why i made my comment.
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By Phoenix.Kirana 2011-01-10 07:40:59
Bahamut.Kara said: Why pick just one job? If you haven't been playing since abyssea came out then maybe you don't know that it only takes a few hours to get from 85-90 (or 75-80 etc). I think you listed only having three jobs? Won't take very long to have them at 90 and then make your decision from there.
Each time SE has increased the update level the jobs have been adjusted in some way. So play and gear what you have fun doing.
The major problem with having multiple jobs that you like playing is that it is hard to focus on a single one. Because of this you usually end up with 5-10 gimped jobs instead of 1-2 well geared jobs that you excel at. I suggest leveling 1-2 jobs to 90 and fully gearing/meriting them before focusing on other jobs that you like.
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By Artemicion 2011-01-10 07:41:02
Luz said: Artemicion said: Here's a concept:
Play what's fun.
Level something "useful" on the side for events. Teach me how to type in my sleep :D
That would be so cool!
Sleep is so anti-productive... yet awesome at the same time~
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 Cerberus.Kylos
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By Cerberus.Kylos 2011-01-10 07:41:45
I hate to say it but the BLM is the best job.
Everyone wants a BLM for everything, they are really powerful, they can sleep, they can enfeeble, they can nuke the hell out of mobs which other jobs just cannot.
Guaranteed any endgame linkshell wants BLMs, if you join a serious endgame ls, they will want you to level BLM.
The only job close to BLM is RDM, its pretty much required to have these 2 jobs to do anything these days which is worthwhile, if you want to level something useful, these 2 jobs are the way to go.
Personally i am DRK, but i hate being a pure mage job which stands back and casts, so i will never level those jobs no matter how many people tell me i should.
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2011-01-10 07:42:22
Cerberus.Kylos said: I hate to say it but the BLM is the best job.
Everyone wants a BLM for everything, they are really powerful, they can sleep, they can enfeeble, they can nuke the hell out of mobs which other jobs just cannot.
Guaranteed any endgame linkshell wants BLMs, if you join a serious endgame ls, they will want you to level BLM.
The only job close to BLM is RDM, its pretty much required to have these 2 jobs to do anything these days which is worthwhile, if you want to level something useful, these 2 jobs are the way to go.
Personally i am DRK, but i hate being a pure mage job which stands back and casts, so i will never level those jobs no matter how many people tell me i should.
WHM > RDM.
By Luz 2011-01-10 07:44:04
Cerberus.Kylos said: I hate to say it but the BLM is the best job.
Everyone wants a BLM for everything, they are really powerful, they can sleep, they can enfeeble, they can nuke the hell out of mobs which other jobs just cannot.
Guaranteed any endgame linkshell wants BLMs, if you join a serious endgame ls, they will want you to level BLM.
The only job close to BLM is RDM, its pretty much required to have these 2 jobs to do anything these days which is worthwhile, if you want to level something useful, these 2 jobs are the way to go.
Personally i am DRK, but i hate being a pure mage job which stands back and casts, so i will never level those jobs no matter how many people tell me i should. Hmmm.
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By Phoenix.Kirana 2011-01-10 07:45:44
All that is required for most fights nowadays is a tank and a healer. Everything else is just there to speed it up, or proc !!s.
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2011-01-10 07:46:08
I'm actually excited for the day when Abyssea is behind the XI world.
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Cerberus.Kylos
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By Cerberus.Kylos 2011-01-10 07:48:24
Yes WHM is better nowadays compared to what it was, i still think RDM beats WHM though just because of the fact it can enfeeble and nuke better, and it can keep up with cures, a lot more versatile and easier to solo things on RDM then a WHM.
No offence to any jobs at all, just from my experience, its always been about BLM and RDM
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By Leviathan.Pimpchan 2011-01-10 07:49:13
Unicorn.Marrs said: A complex question to say the least, simply because of what we can be talking about, dmg output, soloing, the necessity of having a healer, whats the mob etc...
But, if you had to decide which job would be the best to take to 90 (99, whatever), taking these things into account what would you say comes out with the most pros? For example consider a graph, a questionnaire of scale, 1 -10, one category is DMG output over speicified amount of time, one is the ability to Solo on a scale of 1 - 10 (which would most likely rest on the amount of mobs the job can take on as opposed to which can take on the least)
Of these categories, what job would you say comes out with the most points?
1 White Mage 14.06%
2 Red Mage 13.07%
3 Black Mage 12.50%
4 Thief 8.39%
5 Warrior 7.79%
6 Monk 6.49%
7 Paladin 5.51%
8 Ninja 4.73%
9 Samurai 4.27%
10 Bard 3.01%
11 Dark Knight 2.97%
12 Dragoon 2.73%
13 Dancer 2.67%
14 Blue Mage 2.60%
15 Beastmaster 2.39%
16 Summoner 1.93%
17 Ranger 1.49%
18 Scholar 1.41%
19 Puppetmaster 1.07%
20 Corsair 0.92%
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2011-01-10 07:49:51
Cerberus.Kylos said: Yes WHM is better nowadays compared to what it was, i still think RDM beats WHM though just because of the fact it can enfeeble and nuke better, and it can keep up with cures, a lot more versatile and easier to solo things on RDM then a WHM.
No offence to any jobs at all, just from my experience, its always been about BLM and RDM
Not so much these days. RDM is pretty low on the hierarchy chart.
Not saying its bad, but in general WHM is far more desirable.
As for BLM, I dunno. It used to be desirable before redskyfantasy XI.
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2011-01-10 07:50:32
Leviathan.Pimpchan said: Unicorn.Marrs said: A complex question to say the least, simply because of what we can be talking about, dmg output, soloing, the necessity of having a healer, whats the mob etc...
But, if you had to decide which job would be the best to take to 90 (99, whatever), taking these things into account what would you say comes out with the most pros? For example consider a graph, a questionnaire of scale, 1 -10, one category is DMG output over speicified amount of time, one is the ability to Solo on a scale of 1 - 10 (which would most likely rest on the amount of mobs the job can take on as opposed to which can take on the least)
Of these categories, what job would you say comes out with the most points?
1 White Mage 14.06%
2 Red Mage 13.07%
3 Black Mage 12.50%
4 Thief 8.39%
5 Warrior 7.79%
6 Monk 6.49%
7 Paladin 5.51%
8 Ninja 4.73%
9 Samurai 4.27%
10 Bard 3.01%
11 Dark Knight 2.97%
12 Dragoon 2.73%
13 Dancer 2.67%
14 Blue Mage 2.60%
15 Beastmaster 2.39%
16 Summoner 1.93%
17 Ranger 1.49%
18 Scholar 1.41%
19 Puppetmaster 1.07%
20 Corsair 0.92%
Which means nothing.
What people play the most =/= the best to level
By Luz 2011-01-10 07:51:01
That's why people say WHM>RDM though. RDM can't keep up with cures. Enfeebles mean so little on almost anything now since everything dies so fast. Mobs' abilities to dish out damage has improved far more than their ability to survive. WHMs' ability to cast Cures of a higher tier than just 4 makes them so much more useful.
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By Cerberus.Rayik 2011-01-10 07:52:33
Shiva.Flionheart said: Artemicion said: Here's a concept:
Play what's fun.
Level something "useful" on the side for events.
You know what I find? AH killed XI for me.
This is the last time I go to a fan forum for an MMO I play.
I gotta say I agree with this whole-heartedly. Yes, there is a LOT of useful info here and knowledgeable players, but the elitist snobs and trolls almost make me not even want to play.
I play drk and melee rdm for fun, because rdm's in the original FF were melee and that's the image that's burned in my brain. I play drk because I enjoy the job, and could really give two shits about e-peen parse numbers. I like spiky black armor and scythes, what can I say?
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By Cerberus.Rayik 2011-01-10 07:55:46
Luz said: That's why people say WHM>RDM though. RDM can't keep up with cures. Enfeebles mean so little on almost anything now since everything dies so fast. Mobs' abilities to dish out damage has improved far more than their ability to survive. WHMs' ability to cast Cures of a higher tier than just 4 makes them so much more useful.
Yep. I remember before the level cap everyone wanted rdm's in parties, and now whm's have come back and taken the role of main healer again. It fits, since that's what a whm is in the first place.
Just kinda bums me out after all the enfeebling merits and skill capping, the mob dies before I even get to cast them all.
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By Cerberus.Kylos 2011-01-10 07:56:56
If i was to be completely biased, DRK is the best!
But yes whm is definately up there, its not as easy to say compared to when we were 75s, and personally since the level increases i took a long break and only come back just recently to level jobs etc.
It seems like BLM are wanted bad for procs in abyssea, and to help with sleeping and nuking in abyssea parties, RDM and WHM are needed of course in abyssea parties to help support.
Its really hard to say who plays what job the most now, or whats the best to level, every single job has a role to play, and can be used in many situations, some more so then others, i would not go as far to say that any job is useless, i think SE has balanced these jobs a bit better then what they were at 75.
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By Caitsith.Marleysativa 2011-01-10 08:01:54
Cerberus.Rayik said: Shiva.Flionheart said: Artemicion said: Here's a concept:
Play what's fun.
Level something "useful" on the side for events.
You know what I find? AH killed XI for me.
This is the last time I go to a fan forum for an MMO I play.
I gotta say I agree with this whole-heartedly. Yes, there is a LOT of useful info here and knowledgeable players, but the elitist snobs and trolls almost make me not even want to play.
I play drk and melee rdm for fun, because rdm's in the original FF were melee and that's the image that's burned in my brain. I play drk because I enjoy the job, and could really give two shits about e-peen parse numbers. I like spiky black armor and scythes, what can I say?
People are right when they say you can get by and do pretty much anything with all the different jobs in Abyssea, because you can. You should expect the remarks you're complaining about however when you come into a thread marked "Best Job?".
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By Cerberus.Rayik 2011-01-10 08:08:05
Caitsith.Marleysativa said: Cerberus.Rayik said: Shiva.Flionheart said: Artemicion said: Here's a concept:
Play what's fun.
Level something "useful" on the side for events.
You know what I find? AH killed XI for me.
This is the last time I go to a fan forum for an MMO I play.
I gotta say I agree with this whole-heartedly. Yes, there is a LOT of useful info here and knowledgeable players, but the elitist snobs and trolls almost make me not even want to play.
I play drk and melee rdm for fun, because rdm's in the original FF were melee and that's the image that's burned in my brain. I play drk because I enjoy the job, and could really give two shits about e-peen parse numbers. I like spiky black armor and scythes, what can I say?
People are right when they say you can get by and do pretty much anything with all the different jobs in Abyssea, because you can. You should expect the remarks you're complaining about however when you come into a thread marked "Best Job?".
I was referring more to this site in general, not just the thread.
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By Leviathan.Pimpchan 2011-01-10 08:12:28
Shiva.Flionheart said: Leviathan.Pimpchan said: Unicorn.Marrs said: A complex question to say the least, simply because of what we can be talking about, dmg output, soloing, the necessity of having a healer, whats the mob etc...
But, if you had to decide which job would be the best to take to 90 (99, whatever), taking these things into account what would you say comes out with the most pros? For example consider a graph, a questionnaire of scale, 1 -10, one category is DMG output over speicified amount of time, one is the ability to Solo on a scale of 1 - 10 (which would most likely rest on the amount of mobs the job can take on as opposed to which can take on the least)
Of these categories, what job would you say comes out with the most points?
1 White Mage 14.06%
2 Red Mage 13.07%
3 Black Mage 12.50%
4 Thief 8.39%
5 Warrior 7.79%
6 Monk 6.49%
7 Paladin 5.51%
8 Ninja 4.73%
9 Samurai 4.27%
10 Bard 3.01%
11 Dark Knight 2.97%
12 Dragoon 2.73%
13 Dancer 2.67%
14 Blue Mage 2.60%
15 Beastmaster 2.39%
16 Summoner 1.93%
17 Ranger 1.49%
18 Scholar 1.41%
19 Puppetmaster 1.07%
20 Corsair 0.92%
Which means nothing.
What people play the most =/= the best to level
People play the most useful jobs on average. There is a reason mages (the REAL mages, not fake copies) come first. Having a mage is useful unlike having DRG or BLU. That's 2009 official numbers, btw ; nowadays WHM should still have predominant position and blm is probably under mnk,war,thf but should be more useful than loladin.
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By Cerberus.Tidis 2011-01-10 08:24:20
By your logic pimpchan, COR is the worst job in the game which certainly isn't true.
Oh and awesome dig at PLD there, never heard that before, yeah we've taken a back seat for now but so far everything is inside Abyssea so the "best jobs" have currently shifted, what happens when they start doing stuff out of Abyssea again?
PLD might be required again?
RDM might actually be able to do a decent cure due to HP being much lower?
People might go on about other DDs than WAR and MNK?
DRK can stop QQing?
A complex question to say the least, simply because of what we can be talking about, dmg output, soloing, the necessity of having a healer, whats the mob etc...
But, if you had to decide which job would be the best to take to 90 (99, whatever), taking these things into account what would you say comes out with the most pros? For example consider a graph, a questionnaire of scale, 1 -10, one category is DMG output over speicified amount of time, one is the ability to Solo on a scale of 1 - 10 (which would most likely rest on the amount of mobs the job can take on as opposed to which can take on the least)
Of these categories, what job would you say comes out with the most points?
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